Like I said, I accept the status quo

I'm not a delusional AnCap, I just like the ideology

^my opinion on Anarcho- communism

People who ask for UBI are straight up communists

The legitimate role of the state is to protect its citizenry from outside threats, through means of a system of objective laws and judiciary, to be the arbiter of last resort for it's citizens arguments, and to provide services as dictated by a voting majority

Taxation is a means of paying for it

Yes yes bla bla spare me that, I know the government has its function, that's not the issue

reee muh social contract😜

If government has a function then it has to be paid for

That's why I'm saying I accept the status quo

is welfare a legitimate function of government though? thats debatable

it falls into the third argument of that, agonizes

i mean, welfare states have only existed for like, 50 years

You don't need to convince me the taxes, as things are right now, aren't gonna go away

I'm not gonna try to abolish taxes, I know it won't happen

that's not what i'm trying to convince you of

only two things are certain in life: Death, and taxes

I just want socialists to back off and stop for a second

They have done enough damage already

ubi isn't socialist

I dont mean what i said was a good idea, just a fun thought experiment.
No usefull people would be on ubi because they would be bought or get a job, who would buy a cripple/useless person as a slave?

Yes it is

no, it isn't

Holy fuck

the purpose of ubi is not to make everyone's outcome the same, nor is it to nationalise the means of production

Ok explain to me how UBI is capitalist, or neither capitalist nor socialist

Ubi is just a way of redistributing money

the purpose of ubi is a pragmatic alternative to the current arrangement of welfare + tax allowances

nothing capitalist or socialist about it

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I have read the dictionary definitions of socialism enough times to know what it means

so you're against people working now, since that's a means of distributing capital

Redistribution of wealth is one of the two main ideas of socialism

Socialism has two pillars that it rests on to be socialism

1) Collectivization of the means of production
2) Redistribution of wealth

UBI = redistribution of wealth

Ive debated this with you before, not doing that again😄

Yeah cause you lose

I know my shit

lol

lets keep it at: agree to disagree