Message from Jeremy in Athens #piraeus_politics_news
Guardian is cancer
Agreed, they’re a socialist nation - as it says in their constitution. I think the path China is on is fine, it’s proven to work. They’re soon to be the largest economy in the world, they have control over their population, they’re expanding their influence, they’re able to deal with ‘problem’ groups, etc. I don’t believe China is fascist yet though. @Jeremy
China isn't fascist. *boggle*
What China is, is winning. All else is kinda senseless rambling tbh
@Jeremy Hmm, I think that's looking at it from too "top-down" a view. Or perhaps too broad a view, at least for the purpose of explaining one's personal affinity for markets.
It's true, a free market is best for society but that's because it's good for individuals. Because the trader relationship between even two people is fundamentally benevolent.
free market is democracy via dollar
They can be winning -and- be fascist
- The imperialistic forces of the US capitalists must eventually fall before the righteousness of the people's revolution! Materialist History *dictates* we must win!
- First Secretary, the Americans are, like, 14 times richer then us...
- Nonsense Sergey, our people are rich in socialist fervor and anti-reactionary spirit!
This is you saying China is done for.
question being how
ffs, Jeremy is producing an essay
If fascism wins, we'll soon all be Fascist
if it is so, don be a fascist-phobe
@ETBrooD, the logical progression of that argument is to defend a change antithetical toward serving whatever formal norms and values of the nation. In the context of the U.S., I could see a Starbucks Marxist making that claim, in pursuit of whatever nonsense they're espousing. Our Republic has formal, democratic processes, though radical changes were never intended to come about without many years of reflective deliberations, which is one of the reasons why I advocate for stepping back toward Federalism, at the most repealing the 17th Amendment. It'd be an intention return to a mechanic meant to prevent expedient revisions.
We're already in something approaching fascism
You guys move too fast.
I can barely keep up.
What is the 17th ammendment?
Uzalu's voice is so good
Yeah still doesn't make sense to me, but thanks for tryig
I'm having to skim cos i'm working iaw, Jeremy, but what are you proposing you replace the american federal voting system with?
Replace it with swiss cheese
May be better or worse, Doom
@Weez, well, if you examine their economic model, they've embraced varying behaviors consistent with Capitalist nations to survive. Fascism always wore the veneer, combining both Socialism and Capitalism in their economic models.
Nah, the argument that a monarchy is only as good as the monarch is gay cringe. It's only really true of extreme forms of despotic monarchy with little to no formal institutions.
I'm not proposing any replacements, rather reverting back to appointive Senators, @Eccles.
Appointed by whom, Jeremy?
As I said
The State house?
@ETBrooD, I'm saying the reason for the statement is for expedient progression toward some kind of change, the individual making the statement only embracing the heart of their argument when suiting their political objective. I once made that very statement.
No, the House of Representatives. They'd select peers among them to ascend.
That sounds like a terrible idea
Why do you think that's the case?
You would see the likes of California and Washington State and New York trounce over the flyover states?
You would be a failed socilaist state in a heartbeat