Message from @Tonight at 11 - DOOM
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I think that because liberalism was grounded in theological ethics it was ultimately doomed from the start. Freedom can't be grounded in the arbitrary.
So on the one hand you had atheism come out of the age of reason and you also had a political system of freedom but it was founded on God. The two were bound to be at odds.
The markets are a tool to be used, I’m not ideologically attached to them, like my life depended on it; as most people here are.
I’ll bend it, use it, abuse it to suit my needs.
I mean, I understand the expedient desire to wipe out those who wish to superimpose an ideology upon you - I get that. But, that conclusion may lead to a subversion of your intent, as evinced by history. The best way is to simply dissolve the means by which they'd seek to do so and remain armed, organized with your like-minded brethren.
Ah, so you're just a pirate floating on by.
Lol.
Moral nihilism is what I'd call it.
The dark side of objectivism.
@ETBrooD, some of it is by design, others by merely becoming a subject of the designers influence or mere ignorance, going back to the subject of revisionism.
Oh yeah, like Coach Redpill
I am ideologically attached to markets because trading with other people is the best way for me to live as a human.
Cooperation, @jacovich stabs.
Not sure how one can be *ideologically* attached to markets
Means I see them as imperative.
Correct, @jacovich stabs, so you have fundamental questions of whether it is the case that government is merely to recognize ones rights, rather than be the grantor of said rights.
Man becomes God.
The government will de facto always become the grantor of rights..
Cooperation is great but it's not a way of life. People have personal missions too and trade is offering value for value. It's easy and effective.
Britain could save the West!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/nativist-populism-britain-parliament-brexit-europeans
The role of government is to secure the rights of man. It cannot "grant" them, that's just incoherent.
Doing gods work for you Poles. @Tonight at 11 - DOOM
@Weez, as in you do not believe the PRC has went far enough along the lines of fascism? I find it difficult to recognize them as Communists, as this point, but I'll still declare them as such in my rants. Is the PRC the first instance of observing Fascism arise from Communism, or was it all really the same anyway, ultimately pursuing the elimination of self-organization and spontaneous order by design?
"if a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy"
W T F ?
Can someone explain the logical progression behind this claim? I can't figure it out
That's because you've been manipulated by internet radicals @ETBrooD
@jacovich stabs, I also see them as an imperative, as they're required to remain free to ensure efficient allocation of scarce resources. Only a free-market can best decide, while remaining what I see as consistent with my moral values.
My God this is pertinacious mumbling of idealistic know it alls...
Free markets must be regulated to prevent monopolistic practices
And here comes Eccles
Damn straight
To make it even worse
Where did the DUCC go?
He lives on, in your ❤ @Xaverius
aw
Guardian is cancer
Agreed, they’re a socialist nation - as it says in their constitution. I think the path China is on is fine, it’s proven to work. They’re soon to be the largest economy in the world, they have control over their population, they’re expanding their influence, they’re able to deal with ‘problem’ groups, etc. I don’t believe China is fascist yet though. @Jeremy
China isn't fascist. *boggle*
What China is, is winning. All else is kinda senseless rambling tbh
@Jeremy Hmm, I think that's looking at it from too "top-down" a view. Or perhaps too broad a view, at least for the purpose of explaining one's personal affinity for markets.
It's true, a free market is best for society but that's because it's good for individuals. Because the trader relationship between even two people is fundamentally benevolent.
free market is democracy via dollar