Doesn't need religion?

I don't think you get the full scope of what a religion is

Okay, what is ur scope on religion

My point is simply that secular countries can still operate with good laws and morals (as we see for the most part today)

Metaphysics matters imo. Not everybody has to delve into it completely like you said but just because you can't or you feel some people can't/don't have/need to doesn't mean one person who sees *potentiality* in the world around us can't take it in and share it. It's the explorer, inventor, scientist, and men of God/faith who share this essence. That's what leads us forward instead of staying stagnant as society is now within its morals and laws.

I feel like if you take any point in time morals and law would seem relatively “static”, also secular moral philosophy exists (and there are always lots of new moral problems especially to do with tech these days that let us go forward)

Well obviously not look at ppl today lol

Morals relating to people

Nobody would be acting out doing shootings or these socialist riots beating people if everyone didn't have a common belief and faith. At least not as much I would imagine. It would just be heated standards.

Nobody would be questioning their sexuality if they hadn't already believed, in good faith, God n His example n such.

People don’t agree on things no matter what they believe , like even within religions people disagree and cause a lot of shit...

With protestantism and catholics I get understand lol even protestants within itself.

But even in the Catholic church there has been the schism since 1054 or something

I just want more people to be Christian lol modernity is a crock and all the subjective stuff revolving around us impacts the core of society n is making it act out like this.

I feel like its protestant's fault but I don't like catholics either so thats why I became an Orthodox Christian n it's pretty neat.

I don't think I could say some tid bit that could make everyone convert I just wanted to talk about it.

Well bringing it back to the original question, people are secular since they don’t see evidence for god, mostly because most “evidences” for god are from personal experience which results in people in religious circles to be the few who are exposed to anything that even be questionly be proofs

The "evidence" I don't think I communicated effectively is in metaphysics. For people who don't take in metaphysics or whatever that's where religion is to make things easier. I've taken a bunch of my time actually thinking a lot of this stuff through n such.

Metaphysics cannot produce emperical evidence.

A friend of mine showed me some writings by Aquinas

At best, metaphysics is conceptual wordplay.

It's how to express ideas

Just like there's meaning in literature and plays and such

Okay, but that's not evidence for god.

Sure it is because it's all about believing.

Look, there's only one way I'd ever believe in a god. And that's if he was to come up to me and perform a miracle of some sort. Even then, there's a good chance I'd wonder if he wasn't just some alien with sufficiently-advanced technology, a la Arthur C. Clarke's famous quote.

And you don't believe. You have faith. These are different concepts.

Also, I just looked up Aquinas again, and his 5 ways or whatever are mostly just answers we don’t know yet, which doesn’t really prove anything

God of the Gaps.

Faith is apart of believing not the other way around first of all, secondly, why would he have to manifest Himself as a mortal being to *you* specifically in such manner? Even when the Bible already talks about Jesus. But you don't believe in Him and I get that so going forward. Your very conciousness, and everything around you that you perceive n such. Even if you were to explain the universe around you, all the atoms and the energies there of it doesn't explain for your conciousness.

errrr, ur brain is responsible for your consciousness...

No lol animals have brains too, do they have consciousness? Even if they did how would you know? Assuming the didn't how would you know?

You can't your conscience is specific to your person alone

We have more complex brains... we also have no evidence to suggest that our consciousness is not just rooted in the brain

It isn't just your mind or your minds actions manifested through your physical body. There's something connected with the spirit. It's why we have these expressions of guilt n stuff. The 7 deadly sins even is stuff we all hate to see in people. Because we have an idea of what a "good" person is. But what does it mean what a "good" person is if all that matters is power? And in an individual society like we have today power doesn't mean much. At least not to me. Even in feudal times or whatever. The family exists. Your interaction as an individual with other families exists. What does power matter if you can slaughter the other one when you can achieve better by working together or working independently from eachother and eventually building off of each others work. By any means.

See again none of these require religion, guilt doesn’t, power doesn’t and same with the rest

Also you how the hell would u go about saying that the spirit does what we think the brain does, the spirit is not detectable or found in any way whereas the brain is and can bee seen to be responsible for how we perceive reality...

Near death experiences.

Those are a result of the brain tho...

I'm obviously missing stuff. I'm not some theologian I'm just saying basic stuff on why I even believe in a spirit and God to begin with n stuff. All this is good for me in my personal life and in the beginning all my question was was just why don't people believe in God more. I guess that's just a personal question for personal reasons.

It’s no problem at all honestly