But there does need to be structure, objective rules that are seen to be obeyed. People need to be able to trust the system

And at the moment they simply do not

We shouldn't go all Ayn Rand with voluntaryism but we should have a very limited Government

rather than saying "very limited", i would say "clearly delineated"

Hoping you appreciate the difference

i think it should just have limited power

I would go for "clearly delineated" and "very limited"

It really shouldn't interfere in the economy and should mainly just be responsible for policing and National Defence

"very limited" is tacking on a preference for size/services provided

sooo, when is Britain getting a written constitution?😆

I think we should mainly have something along the lines of a Minarchist state

I think we need "clearly delineated" first as a prequisite 🙂

@Eccles far enough

I'm actually fairly pro-public services, but i see it as something that can help bring together left and right - the demand for a clearly delineated government whose institutions can be trusted

The State even existing is going to threaten Liberty so we should just give it minimun power to ensure that very limited liberty is lost

The purpose of the state is to preserve Liberty

(In a Liberal philosophy)

The State is the main threat to Liberty

Then your system of government is flawed

Liberty wasn't a problem before the state because people could just do what they want

The State reduces Liberty for the sake of order

would you say that man, before the state, was fully free?

The only way to increase Liberty is to decrease the role of the State

all ancaps are hypocrites

And vice verse the only threat to Liberty is the State playing a greater role

the govt is literally just another corporation

bruh what

by every fucking definition of the word

it was mutually agreed upon by a group of people

@Αγωνιζῆς Yes they were, There were no laws and thus no restrictions on what we could do

it has a set property

does your government turn a profit for its investors?😂

a corporation is not required to turn a profit

retard

the state sacrifices liberty to guarantee safety, some measure of safety is necessary in any stable society, it is up to us to determine how much.

no

the state sacrifices "liberty" for liberty

the liberty of one individual shall not infringe upon another's

else the system would be hypocritical and meaningless