Fascism is an inherently bad idea because it pits the interests of the state against the interests of the people

The concept though? Alive and well.

> because it pits the interests of the state against the interests of the people
False.

Explain how it does that?

are there any fascists in history that did not deep dive into becoming a socialist?

Mosley

he started as a socialist no?

Then moved towards Syndiclism

Which I don't really consider to be socialism.

It should be self evident in how fascism simultaneously claims to have an active state (read, the state as a moral actor) and also has one of its benefits being that it can switch whether it allows for a free market or controls the market depending on what is best for the state

By the state, they mean the moral actor, the governing body

And why is that a bad thing? @ZX

By the governing body they mean the one-party leadership that makes everything centered around the war effort in order to compete with other nations militarily.

In the instances when they were at war, sure.

Fascism is based on the idea that everything must be within the state; nothing outside or against it.

But that's simply a wartime economy.

Any ideology can and does have that.

Dude, the fascist states of Europe literally started World War II

And the ones after it?

No second world war then?

Which ones?

Nor a third?

Portugal, Spain, Greece

Which states today are fascist?

China to an extent could be considered Fascist

Really, Portugal, Spain, and Greece are fascist?

Were

There was one in South America as well

Chile was it?

And you're citing Ching Chong? The most aggressive country in SE Asia that is currently seeing just how far it can push before someone pushes back?

lol... some things never change "In 1926, the Labour-held seat of Smethwick fell vacant, and Mosley returned to Parliament after winning the resulting by-election on 21 December. Mosley felt the campaign was dominated by Conservative attacks on him for being too rich, including claims that he was covering up his wealth."

The country which has gone from literally nothing to being the second largest economy on the planet, is now exporting its culture around the world and is growing in influence across the planet.

Yeah, that China.

Is China your ideal state?

In some regards, yes

They literally harvest organs from people who think wrong

*In some regards*

*depends on what you mean by organs*

This is what fascism brings when it runs unchecked
It brings horrors like this

Fascism is a collectivist ideology

Because of this, it needs an out-group to maintain in-group cohesion