Message from @🌌Dougal 🌌

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2019-11-23 23:57:20 UTC  

He was out the picture at this point

2019-11-23 23:57:32 UTC  

The Kaiser ruined that by involving Germany in a war that didn't involve them at all

2019-11-23 23:57:56 UTC  

The conflict could have been completely avoided

2019-11-23 23:58:34 UTC  

Austria could just invade Serbia and win, Then they would just leave after since they had no plans for annexation, Conflict over

2019-11-23 23:58:52 UTC  

And you don't need a World War

2019-11-23 23:58:54 UTC  

wait, but that was the reason the war happend

2019-11-23 23:58:57 UTC  

You're forgetting Russia's alliance with Serbia

2019-11-23 23:59:01 UTC  

^

2019-11-23 23:59:05 UTC  

^

2019-11-23 23:59:07 UTC  

Russia wouldn't have intervened with pressure from the Kaiser

2019-11-23 23:59:23 UTC  

you mean the pressure of going to war?

2019-11-23 23:59:26 UTC  

🤷‍♂️

2019-11-23 23:59:29 UTC  

They were childhood friends in the firstplace, The Tsar was on the verge of backing out real life

2019-11-23 23:59:40 UTC  

sure but they still fought

2019-11-23 23:59:51 UTC  

If the Kaiser simply encouraged him to stay out of it i think he would have listened

2019-11-24 00:00:02 UTC  

Especially if Germany was staying out of it too

2019-11-24 00:01:03 UTC  

The alliance wouldn't have made much of a difference given that Serbia would remain independent after the war

2019-11-24 00:01:19 UTC  

Because Austria had been forced by Hungary to not annex Serbia

2019-11-24 00:01:33 UTC  

So the alliance could just continue after

2019-11-24 00:02:26 UTC  

hmm, idk, dont think it was that simple then, but whatever, shit happend. Nothing we can do anything about now anymore

2019-11-24 00:03:12 UTC  

No i am just making the point that the First World War didn't need to happen in the first place and because of our actions in the First World War we caused a Second World War

2019-11-24 00:04:00 UTC  

Millions of lives lost because of France and the UK turning 1 unnecessary war into 2 unnecessary wars

2019-11-24 00:04:03 UTC  

oh I agree, the first world war could have been avoided, I just dont think it was that simple

2019-11-24 00:04:48 UTC  

Think about what would have happened if there was no intervention

2019-11-24 00:05:35 UTC  

Austria invade and takes over, Declares Victory and leaves, Serbia remains independent and goes back to their Alliance with Russia.

2019-11-24 00:05:42 UTC  

Easy

2019-11-24 00:05:43 UTC  

well, a lot of military tech would have not been developed until later, the entire russian revolution could not have happend at all

2019-11-24 00:05:48 UTC  

hell down the line

2019-11-24 00:05:52 UTC  

That's a good thing

2019-11-24 00:06:02 UTC  

we might not even get atomic bombs by 1945 but much later

2019-11-24 00:06:17 UTC  

The Russian Revolution wasn't a good thing

2019-11-24 00:06:21 UTC  

well, a lot of modern civilian tech depends on mil tech developed then

2019-11-24 00:06:33 UTC  

I'd say by the 30s at least there would have been something very similar to WW1

2019-11-24 00:06:33 UTC  

yes but the general impact of that is huge though

2019-11-24 00:06:50 UTC  

the Soviet union was crucial to american behaviour in the cold war

2019-11-24 00:07:00 UTC  

tbh the USSR is bad but Tsarist Russia was jsut a joke

2019-11-24 00:07:03 UTC  

Think about what is avoided though

2019-11-24 00:07:36 UTC  

No WW1, That means Hitler would never rise to power to cause another World War, That leads to no Communist Russia which means no Cold War

2019-11-24 00:07:52 UTC  

3 major conflicts avoided

2019-11-24 00:08:45 UTC  

but how many caused?