This latest one isn't popular because of brexit and the rabid ideological stuff they've bolted on

labour is a one issue party now 😛 https://twitter.com/AmandeepBhogal/status/1199641256521084930?s=20

I think that's broadly true, but someone yesterday told me that was pushing them towards the libdems

People want to be economically secure, and for the services they rely on to fucking work

theyre not getting away from that stink

Amandeep is based

But if anyone stopped and thought about it, they'd realise thats exactly the opposite of socialism.

It's far more complicated than that, Slen

Much as we'd like there to be "free markets" and "socialism" and nothing inbetween, the reality is very different

Social programs, which we have, rely on a strong economy to provide adequate taxes. Socialism in full stifles economic growth and so social programs suffer unless taxes are increased. And the problem compounds.

Yet there are things that are currently privatised that have no business being, such as the railways

Yup. I acknowledged that the UK has Socialist policies and institutions. I just don't think we are or should be a Socialist country.

Water

The electric distribution network

I don't think we do have socialist policies

Wanna see my bacon torpedo?

No, Mikey, keep your pants on

We have social programs, not socialist.

Fair enough, I'm probably misusing the definition.

There's a difference between the safety net idea that we have in place and the 'the government determines your place in society' kind of approach.

The safety net is a bit shit

Its not meant to be great. Its meant to encourage you to get back on your feet again.

Some people aren't capable of being on their feet, Slen

Some people, for sure.

Elderly, infirm, disabled, people with mental issues

But there's a remarkable amount of people who treat it like its suppose to be equal to a real income.

When for them, it's not designed that way.

People who are unable to work, definitely should have some kind of assistance, but I also think it should be kept in mind that family should also be involved if possible in providing that assistance.

That's unfair

People don't get to choose their family

Their family may be shit

Or unable to offer assistance

So no, I don't agree

I did say if possible. I'm not mandating it.

That's the problem though

Tories seem to insist on it

And Tories obsession with means testings, ffs

when watching that andrew neil interview last night... be honest... when you saw it from a certain angle... who thought of that anti-semetic jewish trope picture of the jew hunched rubbing its hands...? no? .. just me? ... ahhh sht

Didn't watch it, Wacka, no TV license

Neither do I.

get a license scrub