It doesn't seem to matter to some people. Response I got was "but their policies are Socialist, what's wrong with socialism"

I'd recommend history. History shows exactly whats wrong.

Socialism ends in misery.

I may have mentioned some recent examples. When he saw the "overturning capitalism is my job" quote, he looked like he might cry.

Its a repeated experiment that fails every time. They're waiting for the miracle where a society can manage it. If they can name a country that is truly socialist that isn't a shithole, I'd be all ears.

I'd be Andrew Marr about it.

This is a chap who used to work for the beeb though.

Socialism becomes popular when society feels economically threatened

Thus the rise of Labour socialism is a result of the failure of New Labour and the Tories/Lib Dems

Not really. Socialism isn't popular in the UK. This new manifesto isn't popular.

And as yet, nobody in any of the political establishment is willing to acknowledge the FAILURES of neoliberalism, multiculturalism, and mass immigration

The polls show that the Tories are soaring in popularity because they're aren't radical.

It was, SLen, their 2017 manifesto was very popular

This latest one isn't popular because of brexit and the rabid ideological stuff they've bolted on

labour is a one issue party now 😛 https://twitter.com/AmandeepBhogal/status/1199641256521084930?s=20

I think that's broadly true, but someone yesterday told me that was pushing them towards the libdems

People want to be economically secure, and for the services they rely on to fucking work

theyre not getting away from that stink

Amandeep is based

But if anyone stopped and thought about it, they'd realise thats exactly the opposite of socialism.

It's far more complicated than that, Slen

Much as we'd like there to be "free markets" and "socialism" and nothing inbetween, the reality is very different

Social programs, which we have, rely on a strong economy to provide adequate taxes. Socialism in full stifles economic growth and so social programs suffer unless taxes are increased. And the problem compounds.

Yet there are things that are currently privatised that have no business being, such as the railways

Yup. I acknowledged that the UK has Socialist policies and institutions. I just don't think we are or should be a Socialist country.

Water

The electric distribution network

I don't think we do have socialist policies

Wanna see my bacon torpedo?

No, Mikey, keep your pants on

We have social programs, not socialist.

Fair enough, I'm probably misusing the definition.

There's a difference between the safety net idea that we have in place and the 'the government determines your place in society' kind of approach.

The safety net is a bit shit

Its not meant to be great. Its meant to encourage you to get back on your feet again.

Some people aren't capable of being on their feet, Slen

Some people, for sure.

Elderly, infirm, disabled, people with mental issues

But there's a remarkable amount of people who treat it like its suppose to be equal to a real income.

When for them, it's not designed that way.

People who are unable to work, definitely should have some kind of assistance, but I also think it should be kept in mind that family should also be involved if possible in providing that assistance.