I bet they were hoping to drop the files a day before the election before anyone could properly analyse it

Got to remember, these attacks and rebuttals rarely make it into the core Labour vote

Worst that it'll do is limit the recovery of the LAbour vote

That's all that's needed now tbh

it does mention long patents maybe up for talks, which could potentially cost NHS more in the long term

but I imagine they would have to get a lot somewhere else to let that get in

I think he lost the moment he didn't appoint someone else as Shadow Chancellor. Or replace Diane Abbott.

Both of them are 100% liabilities to any labour efforts.

And then he compounded that by being chummy with Momentum.

The rot is far deeper than them

Oh yeah, it is, but without them, it would be far less obvious to the averagely informed person.

THe Labour party spent a decade trying to purge themselves of communist insurgency, then the moment Corbyn was elected they all came rushing back in

If you had someone who wasn't a raging communist as your economics adviser, people wouldn't be so quick as to claim you're a communist.

But he does.

There's a myriad of things he could have done to improve his image.

It doesn't seem to matter to some people. Response I got was "but their policies are Socialist, what's wrong with socialism"

I'd recommend history. History shows exactly whats wrong.

Socialism ends in misery.

I may have mentioned some recent examples. When he saw the "overturning capitalism is my job" quote, he looked like he might cry.

Its a repeated experiment that fails every time. They're waiting for the miracle where a society can manage it. If they can name a country that is truly socialist that isn't a shithole, I'd be all ears.

I'd be Andrew Marr about it.

This is a chap who used to work for the beeb though.

Socialism becomes popular when society feels economically threatened

Thus the rise of Labour socialism is a result of the failure of New Labour and the Tories/Lib Dems

Not really. Socialism isn't popular in the UK. This new manifesto isn't popular.

And as yet, nobody in any of the political establishment is willing to acknowledge the FAILURES of neoliberalism, multiculturalism, and mass immigration

The polls show that the Tories are soaring in popularity because they're aren't radical.

It was, SLen, their 2017 manifesto was very popular

This latest one isn't popular because of brexit and the rabid ideological stuff they've bolted on

labour is a one issue party now 😛 https://twitter.com/AmandeepBhogal/status/1199641256521084930?s=20

I think that's broadly true, but someone yesterday told me that was pushing them towards the libdems

People want to be economically secure, and for the services they rely on to fucking work

theyre not getting away from that stink

Amandeep is based

But if anyone stopped and thought about it, they'd realise thats exactly the opposite of socialism.

It's far more complicated than that, Slen

Much as we'd like there to be "free markets" and "socialism" and nothing inbetween, the reality is very different

Social programs, which we have, rely on a strong economy to provide adequate taxes. Socialism in full stifles economic growth and so social programs suffer unless taxes are increased. And the problem compounds.

Yet there are things that are currently privatised that have no business being, such as the railways

Yup. I acknowledged that the UK has Socialist policies and institutions. I just don't think we are or should be a Socialist country.

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