Message from @Legitimate [OCE]

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2019-01-18 22:58:28 UTC  

So of course people like vegans, tend to shy away from fast food, so they are "healthier" than the average American

2019-01-18 22:59:47 UTC  

But the peak of health and nutrition would be a farmer, who does physical work all day, and eats the veggies, fruits, and meats thay he grew and harvested himself

2019-01-18 23:14:50 UTC  

That makes sense

2019-01-19 02:06:32 UTC  

You're wrong on multiple things and right on others.
First of all, 'veggies' are mostly carbohydrates, not protein or fat - with the exception of things like avocados.
Secondly, rice and beans is an extremely healthy diet and is a large part of the diet that reversed heart disease, which no diet including animal products has ever done. I never said we should survive off 'just eating fruits', in fact your body finds it harder to digest fructose than glucose because it has to break it down into glucose first in the liver, so you should ideally eat less than 50g of fructose per day since any more can irrirate your bowels. Starches and vegetables have hardly any fructose, so they aren't a problem. I already said that I promote 'whole' foods not processed junk like bread, pretzels, chips and muffins. I'm not promoting them so we agree there.

2019-01-19 02:09:21 UTC  

> The body relies heavily on fats and protein, especially our brain.
*"Brain. Glucose is virtually the sole fuel for the human brain, except during prolonged starvation. The brain lacks fuel stores and hence requires a continuous supply of glucose. It consumes about 120 g daily, which corresponds to an energy input of about 420 kcal (1760 kJ), accounting for some 60% of the utilization of glucose by the whole body in the resting state. "*
You were just completely off the mark here. Source: <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22436/> and many others, this is actually common knowledge.

2019-01-19 02:11:27 UTC  

If animal products are 'essential to a healthy body', why is it that when people reduce animal consumption and increase plant consumption (especially whole foods like vegetables, some fruits, nuts, seeds, wholegrains and legumes) their health improves and their chronic diseases caused by animal products like CVD, COPD, diabetes and alzheimers all stop progressing, reverse or are cured?

2019-01-19 02:12:41 UTC  

Why is it that the longest living population on earth is the californian adventist vegans, and before that, it was the traditional Okinawan's from Japan who ate over 97% vegan? Here is a breakdown of their diet.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464144378936688655/536005045091565598/Okinawan.png

2019-01-19 02:16:22 UTC  

> the peak of health is farmers
Is that why they suffer from heart attacks or strokes? Did you know that heart attacks and strokes actually *aren't* inevitable processes of aging, and that our entire culture believes this lie because it's caused by our diet foremost and lifestyle second? Having heart disease, diabetes or strokes is a choice. A choice that's made if you eat food that isn't wholefood plantbased. This means that animal products and processed carbs are both on the naughty list in terms of what causes the chronic diseases that cause the vast majority of deaths in the US.

2019-01-19 02:21:00 UTC  

I would recommend you at least do nutrition 101 so that you don't fall for shit that random ketogenic/atkin bloggers or bookwriters say.

2019-01-19 02:21:38 UTC  

Where would you get Nutrition 101 for free?

2019-01-19 02:21:43 UTC  

Youtube

2019-01-19 02:22:06 UTC  

You could start with the videos I linked further up and watch more videos on their channels or related videos

2019-01-19 02:22:25 UTC  

I did it at Uni and it's nothing you can't learn with a youtube video tbh, it's a very easy topic

2019-01-19 02:23:07 UTC  

It's more of a social science, from what I've seen.

2019-01-19 02:23:14 UTC  

I'd say about 3-8% of mainstream nutrition taught is incorrect, so don't believe *everything* as if it's a fact, but the basics are mostly solid.

2019-01-19 02:24:21 UTC  

It's inbetween, it utilizes a decent amount of biochemistry, anatomy and physiology so it's not quite a social science.

2019-01-19 02:25:51 UTC  

And good nutritional studies are on par with medical studies due to the study design and the fact that they actually measure real values relating to the body, not just asking the patient questions about how they *feel* like social sciences do.

2019-01-19 02:27:56 UTC  

Yeah.

2019-01-20 18:42:59 UTC  

I just stick to eating once a day,drink only water and milk. And carb up on sunday, the rest of the week I eat eggs, fish, beef, and chicken, sometimes pork. I rarely cook with vegetable oils.

2019-01-20 18:49:55 UTC  

My diet today

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464144378936688655/536618394724728834/image0.jpg

2019-01-21 03:38:32 UTC  

Nice, intermittent fasting is pretty good for you

2019-01-21 17:59:45 UTC  

8-8

2019-01-22 03:52:44 UTC  
2019-01-22 03:52:51 UTC  

read this book and get back to me

2019-01-22 04:00:37 UTC  

also give this a watch

2019-01-22 04:05:35 UTC  

also if you are a vegan id highly consider not being one, but dont take my word for it, here is plenty of testomonials

2019-01-22 04:08:48 UTC  

@Legitimate [OCE] give these a watch

2019-01-22 04:20:23 UTC  

> s3vrge

2019-01-22 04:22:37 UTC  

I've watched a few of his videos, he has some unique and imo correct observations but he's also delusional

2019-01-22 04:23:29 UTC  

I know what the other side has to say, I just think they're wrong

2019-01-22 04:24:36 UTC  

I'm not going to lie and say that a WFPB diet is the best diet for every goal, only the goal of longevity and chronic disease prevention