Your ability to argue is clearly weak

Simple question.

@Scale_e both

What am I murdering?

If there is no known father or the father refuses to claim the child the mother retains full guardianship unless it is revoked by the state, at which point the child goes to the reliticlosest relative, or if there is no known relative becomes a ward of the state

The mother didn't consent. She's the one with that power

the baby at 8months could have lived outside the womb, so murder

I am willing to guess that @Win Roe has many irrational ideas pinballing around in that brain

Personally, I refer to myself as "pro-life, but not anti-abortion," or as Dave Rubin puts it: "begrudgingly pro-choice." Meaning I believe in prevention and alternatives with abortion being plan Z and I think if it must be done, the sooner the better, with various reasons why sentience, pain, and viability are reasonable philosophical and scientific cut-offs.

Ok.
7 months.

6 months.

7 months too they can survive

5 months.

@Chuckler I'm working on it

Anything pre-sentience I don't see as immoral cuz I'm not an Evangelical or a Catholic

I don't see a difference between pre sentience and pre memory

Avoid having someone spaff in your muff might be a good step

so 3 years and younger is fine

@Scale_e I don't care how many months. The person who has to carry the child should be the one to choose. Noone should be allowed to make that choice for them. I don't have to like their choice and we can agree on that, but rights are more important than my feelings.

@Marushia Dark when is the definitive absolute point at which a human becomes sentient

Sentience refers to its ability to be aware of itself as an entity

Pop em all on the chopping block it's all the same

scientists say that life begins at conception

^

so there is that

@Jack of Trades So basically, the mother has the ability to determine when that thing is a person?

None of you have passed the turing test tbh

Shim, IIRC, I link to it in the article (part 2) but I can't recall of the top of my head, I wanna say 12 weeks

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU no they don't

Life is continuoud

It never starts or stops, it's ongoing

I am unsure if many are truly sentient even now

@Chuckler Isn't that to determine if an AI is close enough to human?

Yes you failed

key word "close enough"

If a human isnt close to a human is it human?

Shut up

faggot

How do we see mirrors if our eyes arnt real

But then who was phone?

@Scale_e no, have you not been listening? It doesn't matter if it's a person. I grant you that it's a person. The child could be 5, dying of kidney failure and you can't expect me to give up my kidney to save my child. Youre confusing moral virtue for moral obligation