@Marushia Dark let me cum on your titties

Well by law the father at birth signed for the custody of the child saying it is theirs, until then, legally speaking the mother is the sole guardian.

Imagine you were a man and your wife was pregnant, would you care if she got an abortion when you didn't want her to? @Marushia Dark

@ShimShamWhamBam I think the Ferengi have it right

@Win Roe caring doesn't give you rights

Ok.
Fetuses don’t have rights.

So if I go next door, and punch my 8 month pregnant neighbor in the stomach until she miscarries.
Should I be up for assault and murder?
Or just assault?

What kind of world do you want to live in?

I don't care if you care

Roe, maybe before you ask me that, you should read and find out what my actual position is

Mandatory abortions 2016

@Scale_e the mother has rights.

@Marushia Dark I will but right now chat is moving faster than your slow ass brain

Assault and murder
Or just assault

Anyone born after that did not make the cut

Your ability to argue is clearly weak

Simple question.

@Scale_e both

What am I murdering?

If there is no known father or the father refuses to claim the child the mother retains full guardianship unless it is revoked by the state, at which point the child goes to the reliticlosest relative, or if there is no known relative becomes a ward of the state

The mother didn't consent. She's the one with that power

the baby at 8months could have lived outside the womb, so murder

I am willing to guess that @Win Roe has many irrational ideas pinballing around in that brain

Personally, I refer to myself as "pro-life, but not anti-abortion," or as Dave Rubin puts it: "begrudgingly pro-choice." Meaning I believe in prevention and alternatives with abortion being plan Z and I think if it must be done, the sooner the better, with various reasons why sentience, pain, and viability are reasonable philosophical and scientific cut-offs.

Ok.
7 months.

6 months.

7 months too they can survive

5 months.

@Chuckler I'm working on it

Anything pre-sentience I don't see as immoral cuz I'm not an Evangelical or a Catholic

I don't see a difference between pre sentience and pre memory

Avoid having someone spaff in your muff might be a good step

so 3 years and younger is fine

@Scale_e I don't care how many months. The person who has to carry the child should be the one to choose. Noone should be allowed to make that choice for them. I don't have to like their choice and we can agree on that, but rights are more important than my feelings.

@Marushia Dark when is the definitive absolute point at which a human becomes sentient

Sentience refers to its ability to be aware of itself as an entity

Pop em all on the chopping block it's all the same

scientists say that life begins at conception

^

so there is that

@Jack of Trades So basically, the mother has the ability to determine when that thing is a person?

None of you have passed the turing test tbh

Shim, IIRC, I link to it in the article (part 2) but I can't recall of the top of my head, I wanna say 12 weeks