I don't have anything against veganism, I have some against people saying "all meat" and forcing shit down my throat literally

Red meat is an exotic meat in my mind and shouldn't be eaten daily. But I do it anyway sometimes

that I agree

well yeah

Fish and Chicken is no problem unless there is something I don't know.

but for me, if we can't find a benefit for humans (humans come first), then it becomes redundant to cause mass suffering of lesser beings

I'm on the fence about fish, its moreso the mercury, PCBs and dioxins from contaminated waters

I don't think it's that much of a problem for us Scandinavians

Tuna, rather not.

fish aren't as concious as cows, pigs, ect.

I can agree with that, they are like ants. Made to reproduce and do whatever their biology tells them to do.

well I wouldnt go that far lol

See I eat honey because you're not gonna convince me that a bee experiences suffering in the same way a dog does

It's ethics.

we have to draw the line somewhere

but I think when it comes to human health, fiber, folate, potassium, vitamin C, vitamin A, phytonutrients ect. are all extremely important

Thus, most people who shift from SAD to plant based experience massive shifts in blood pressure, cholesterol, ect.

Yeah, replace potatoes with vegetables, replace bread with fiber rich vegetables and nuts etc, replace red meat with leaner meats

yeah you'll be healthy if you do that

see refined carbs spike insuline and glucose, but low GI carbs have a stabalizing effect on blood sugar

I get quite the stomach ache if I eat a bit too much red meat

I can eat a 300 calory can of beans in the morning and be full until 7:00 at night

its powerful stuff.

the fiber and water of the food, the low caloric density

I dropped 50 lbs

i'm bulking

yeah so you must fo chicken breast

vegans have to do tempeh, tofu, beans, lentils

there's tradeoffs to everything

most people think that vegetarian food is just salads, raisins or whatever boring white people stuff. But in reality, there are tons of better ways to make vegan/vegetarian foods, like say Indian, my favorite, Any sort of Asian Really. I kinda cringe when I see vegans force watered lettuce down their throat when they could have bought a much more, I don't know, less dry option? spices and etc.

xd

plus, iceburg lettuce has like no nutritional value compared to spinach, swiss chard, kale, beat greens, collards, ect.

exactly lmao

spices are insane for antioxidant capacity

especially cloves

if i'm going vegan/vegetarian i'm going Asian basically.

if a country is accustomed to vegetarian/vegan food, then their food will be good for sure.

yeah

I commented expecting an argument but this seems pretty reasonable.

i'm right in between, my friends always be talking about how they want "meat" and no libtard can take their "burgers" and i'm like, "have you ever tried indian bro?" first your taste buds and then the toilet. Totally worth it. Endless possibilities

There isnt actually any science to support non animal protien diets, or the idea that red meat is bad for you