Good Evening

accurate

Morning everyone

*Le me just now realizing my name is a ST reference

What madness have I woken up to o.O

No u isnt an argument

My big problem with the democrats is that, largely, they have abandoned the working class. All the talk about a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage, free college, and medicare for all, these are straight up attacks on the working class.

Wage hikes will bring up prices, corporations dont profit nearly as much as people think and have a larger stake in operations than the yeoman. Free college is just fully taxpayer subsidized college, because the feds getting involved in higher education has gone so well over the past few decades. Medicare for all and making private insurance illegal would bankrupt us. The unions fought hard for the benefits I enjoy (which are far better than medicare) and I am not willing to give those up for subpar coverage.

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Have you not watched any of the democratic debates?

So what candidates for presidents say on national television doesnt actually mean anything? All that matters is what is done on the floor of the senate and HoR?

Furthermore considering the CDC released a report stating that 100 million americans are living with diabetes or prediabetes. That would drop another 1.5 trillion dollars onto the taxpayers heads if we shifted to medicare for all, thats on top of the 3.5 trillion we already spend on healthcare anually.

We also have a population that is larger than every single European country by several orders of magnitude.

Maybe medicare for all would work for a country with a population of less than 20 million, but 330 million I think not.

A shutdown of the border would be necessary

I pay almost nothing for my medical needs

Despite being obese which does raise my premiums

But that is a consequence of MY choices

I will not be forced to pay for others poor life choices

Only for mine

Thats actually an evolutionary disadvantage

During famines they die

I have a buddy like that

My brother is the same way

That how my brother and friend are

Tldr

No one has a right to the income I make but me

Well I am not really an ancap

My problem is fastfood and trucking

When its 20 bellow and you have a salad on the truck or that piping hot wendys

Tough choice xD

Kek

Its been a long time since I last played ARK, how is it these days?

Oh shit

Thats the first mod ive been hyped about since the LOTR mod for Civ5

I played ARK way back when it was alpha access, I hope its optimized, otherwise rip my toaster laptop.

Roman Boogaloo Part Two is imminent

Outside moral outrage there is no actual defense of medicare for all.

America isnt Europe, our culture is different our population is titanic comparatively speaking, and the US subsidizes Europes defense. Without us their socialized medicine fails.

Futhermore I am against forced abortions and state sanctioned murder of children.

The state can keep its filthy hands off my healthcare thank you

Joker you need to stop strawmanning, no one said that every one having ins is the worst case scenario. What was said was, medicare is actually awful not only in wait times but also in its reimbursement rates to hospitals. This is not even to mention the feds can legally negotiate or control prices, do you really want to write a blank check to the pharma companies?

An appeal court in britain literally had to stop a forced abortion my dude get fucked
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/24/catholic-church-hits-out-at-court-over-abortion-ruling

Half of what you have been arguing is that western countries all have socialized meducine but us, then got pissy when someone called it barbaric

So when I provide an example of barbarity in one of those western countries you plug your ears and say "not relevant"

Weak sauce man

It seems I got that part mixed up with someone else I apologize

Really tho?

The government forcing someone to have an abortion in a government run healthcare system isnt a result of that government run system?

Doesntmakesensetomebutokaybro

Weez by what metric are you determining it is cheaper?

How do you square that with the previously mentioned cdc report?

5 trillion doesnt sound cheap to me

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0718-diabetes-report.html

100 million people with diabetes would cost another 1.5 trillion to treat

Adding to our already 3.5 trillion spent on healthcare

Its also why we have more medical cures developed and a better cancer survival rate

Regulation and price control kill research and innovation

And many abroad coming here for major operationd to avoid waiting

See here is the fundamental disconnect, we both agree reform is necessary but how we reform it is where the disagreement is

Because our population is high my several orders of magnitude

Comparisons between the US and Europe are largely not valid for that reason

Wrong

When it comes to healthcare there are three things you can have

Accessability
Affordability
Universality

The more of one the less of the other two you have

You also forced people to have abortions until a court stops you

You also vote to stop treating terminal children, remove them from their parents custody, and prevent them from leaving to seek treatment elsewhere

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/06/nhs-failure-health-service

And your nhs is going broke

Turns out it wasnt that cheap I suppose

Population and culture

Culturaly you are healthier than the us

You walk more and eat less

Truth

Still my own fault tbh

They do

Our food standards are a joke

Kek

The only way I could see universal healthcare in the US is with a massove cultural shift with food and automating medicine

Then people will just stop becoming doctors

People dont strive for excellence when they get nothing in return

Medical school takes alot of time, effort, and money

Part of that is to weed out people without the affinity for the medical field

Price gouging is already illegal

Citation please

The only time i can think of price gounging in medication

Is with medicare

https://www.consumerreports.org/drug-prices/epipen-alternative-that-costs-just-10-dollars/

Looks like the free market provided

25 dollars uninsured

Citation joker

Or was that over the counter?

^ precisely

Another example of privatization being better is optometry

Eye surgeries used to cost tens of thousands

Now they cost fractions of that

Well then

Weez, was that med prescription or otc?

Cost between presecription in us vs otc is also different

Thats why I asked