The onus is on you to justify these thigns by saying hes real, I am saying hes not real and people get sick and there is nothing we can do outside of modern medicine

erm, did you bother to even ask if he's a believer?

Nope, but that appeared to be the premise

cuz if not you're asking someone to justify shit that isn't relevant to them

Well the point would still be relevant

Nnnnnnot really

Yes really

that'd be like asking me to justify god and shit

or communism

Bottom line gods aren't real, if you want to leave the door open thats fine, but if you say "i believe" or "he believes" whatever, then you and/or they have to justify that belief, and its very easy for me to turn around and say those points as I just did

Which put any believer in a tricky position and either proves they aren't a real supporter or they are insane

or the practices of factory farming of animal livestock

http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/locke1689b.pdf

If you argue point 1 gods plan- that is a bad argument, I throat chop your neighbour, that gods plan? and tht makes it a terrible argument, point 2 means your god is likely evil and watching suffering going on and chooses to do nothing, point 3 he's not powerful and cant do anything/everything, 4 he doesn't exist and therefore unable to stop any harm.

The point of evil and ails are trials and free will

You really want to argue free will and trials <:pepe:312704217028493312>

If you chose to throat chop someone out of nowhere god knew it would happen and you will be judged for it

You asked and I am answering

The idea behind the christian faith is to be born and try to bear your trials and tribulations in a christlike fashion for a higher purpose

Not to seek comfort

Well tahts ridiculous- that implies god will "catch up with me" in due time. what about 2,3,4

6 year old child has stage 4 cancer- can your god save them...

You being a non-believer I assume conflate happy with comfortable

I was raised a roman catholic dude, then I saw the light <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

Now I don't believe in any of that shite

I wouldnt prop up roman Catholicism as the apex of what it means to be Christian

However I find religious debate pointless really

I don't believe in god but those were not even difficult questions my dude. One of the characteristics ascribed to god is omniscience. Which is infinite knowledge. More than you more than me more than everyone who ever lived.

So when you take your dog to the vet for shots it doesn't know what a heartworm is of anything. It is not capable of knowing why it has to go to a strange place and have painful things happen to it. All it has is a faith in you and your care for it. So that times infinity is what people refer to as 'ineffable'

I do have faith though I seldom speak of it because jts no ones business but my own

If you believe in an all powerful god you have to defend the reason for him not using his abilities to save people, especially people who have done no wrong and under your doctrine are "innocent"

Your get out of jail will be "original sin" but that has no bearing here

And an athiest will never change their mind its like talking to a wall

I do not have to prove or justify anything to anyone

In the end we will all find out the truth one way or another

Course you do, if you take your religion out of the home you will get told bollocks, like now- online <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

Imagine acting like your opinion is of bearing or concern

I told you your god reaches down and tells me i'm wrong i'll believe, until that time he isn't real

I dont believe my faith is your business nor yours mine

and if he is all powerful he could reach down, so why doesn't he

I dont believe in an interventionist god

Ah