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Trotsky literally refused to take the USSR in a military coup because it would be inherently bureaucratic
Anyway later revisionist, the true Marxist is going to plane land
Ok bye tr*t
Try not to get icepicked
And as for the commodity production, you can read this later
Socialism is a period of transition where you have some leftover relations from the capitalist mode of production co-existing with an emerging communist mode. Nobody, not even Stalin, denied that there was commodity production in the USSR and that as long as it existed it would be an obstacle to achieving communism. However, Stalin still considered the USSR distinct from a capitalist society in that:
The most important means of production were no longer produced as commodities (that is, they were not produced to be bought and sold but were instead allocated based on the needs of the workers)
The proletariat planned production through the state
There was no longer production of surplus value, in the sense that the social surplus was no longer appropriated by a class standing above the proletariat.
There can be a debate about to what extent these things were actually true. I'm of the opinion that they were true for the most part during the Stalin years, but that all of those things were eroded significantly from the mid-50's onward, culminating in the outright collapse of the USSR. But even if one wishes to make an argument that the USSR was never distinct from capitalism, i think you have to tackle the points that Stalin and others actually made. The mere existence of commodity production doesn't prove the USSR was simply capitalist.
With that said, you are right that commodity production even in socialism provides an economic basis for the return of capitalism. But Marxist-Leninists and Maoists have always believed that the goal is obviously to eliminate commodity production. In past socialist projects, the maintenance of a sphere of commodity production was considered at the time a temporarily necessary evil. In today's world, it will probably be easier to eliminate commodity production more quickly than it would have been in the 20th century.
"And so, in the first phase of communist society (usually called socialism) "bourgeois law" is not abolished in its entirety, but only in part, only in proportion to the economic revolution so far attained, i.e., only in respect of the means of production. "Bourgeois law" recognizes them as the private property of individuals. Socialism converts them into common property. To that extent--and to that extent alone--"bourgeois law" disappears.
In fact, when a learned professor, followed by the philistine, followed in turn by the Tseretelis and Chernovs, talks of wild utopias, of the demagogic promises of the Bolsheviks, of the impossibility of “introducing” socialism, it is the higher stage, or phase, of communism he has in mind
But the scientific distinction between socialism and communism is clear. What is usually called socialism was termed by Marx the “first”, or lower, phase of communist society. Insofar as the means of production becomes common property, the word “communism” is also applicable here, providing we do not forget that this is not complete communism"
-The State and Revolution, Lenin V.I.
about stalin with fashists etc
stalin offered treaty to british first
becouse of the great purge red army was in no condition to fight in any major war so stalin wanted to buy time till 1944 to rebuild the red army
fack trots
you say stalin was friend with fashists
trots in spain sabotaged republican spain
spied for japanise in china
colaborated with ustase and were against defence of czehoslovakia in jugoslavija <:bour:313709044957315082>,*ivan get the icepick*
ok
Also don't forget the civil war
That took a lot of time to rebuild the army
And afterwards to industrialise the country and mass produce tanks and war machines
Who wants to raid a Capitalist server
cool
yo lets vc
@ApplicationBot Nice pfp my dude.
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Would the abbreviation for Anarcho-pacifists be AnPacs?
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edgy
i support this
Thank you
I'm warm to socialism, but not so much L*nin's additions. Sell me on ML.
I'm not a ML. I'm an Anarchist.
aight
worth a shot, fellow A
So far, the working class Revolutions have only been achievable by leninist praxis
And once the government has been overthrown, what do you do then? How do you secure power? Will the country just descend into chaos?