Message from @not_matt

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2017-05-14 03:53:15 UTC  

@not_matt Is Fidel Considered a tankei, Che?

2017-05-14 03:53:18 UTC  

sounds pretty *reactionary*

2017-05-14 03:53:27 UTC  

not really i was responding to "mao and stalin did a better job" but i realized that they could be in reference to their resisting imperialism

2017-05-14 03:53:33 UTC  

which would be objectively true

2017-05-14 03:53:52 UTC  

have you read state and revolution

2017-05-14 03:54:08 UTC  

no

2017-05-14 03:54:22 UTC  

i honestly shouldn't be weighing in on these political debates anyways im an econ guy

2017-05-14 03:54:40 UTC  

you realize that most of lenin's work in that is just quoting and explaining marx and hegels quotes

2017-05-14 03:54:53 UTC  

and then applying it to political theory

2017-05-14 03:55:06 UTC  

but like... how can you justify the vanguard party im honestly curious

2017-05-14 03:55:15 UTC  

ask marx lol

2017-05-14 03:55:28 UTC  

you replace one means of control over the working class with another but this one i promise will be super nice

2017-05-14 03:55:29 UTC  

you need a transitionary method between captialism

2017-05-14 03:55:39 UTC  

workers still own means

2017-05-14 03:55:40 UTC  

Gonna head out guys. Nice talking to y'all! (Also all glory to the Jamahiriya ;P)

2017-05-14 03:55:52 UTC  

the state just distributes it

2017-05-14 03:56:03 UTC  

baibai

2017-05-14 03:56:36 UTC  

@not_matt we can easily justify. Democracy doesn't work. Democracy is a lie. We need to use something that works.

2017-05-14 03:56:51 UTC  

democracy will die in communism

2017-05-14 03:57:01 UTC  

whaaaaat

2017-05-14 03:57:03 UTC  

i am not on board

2017-05-14 03:57:13 UTC  

workers control of the workplace has to be democratic

2017-05-14 03:57:21 UTC  
2017-05-14 03:57:21 UTC  

ye

2017-05-14 03:57:26 UTC  

otherwise you've just dressed capitalism up in a new outfit

2017-05-14 03:57:40 UTC  

but in like full communism democracy would be a state apparatus

2017-05-14 03:58:11 UTC  

@not_matt Authority is far superior to democracy. Communist authority is necessary.

2017-05-14 03:58:36 UTC  

woah

2017-05-14 03:58:39 UTC  

i mean

2017-05-14 03:58:44 UTC  

not entirely

2017-05-14 03:59:11 UTC  

worker controlled sectors should be democratically owned by the proliteriat

2017-05-14 03:59:22 UTC  

and the state should distribute the goods

2017-05-14 03:59:41 UTC  

and run the markets

2017-05-14 03:59:48 UTC  

honestly am i counter rev if im becoming some sort of market socialist

2017-05-14 03:59:59 UTC  

are you a tito man

2017-05-14 04:00:24 UTC  

@not_matt that is usual for a syndicalist SJW to turn back to capitalism.

2017-05-14 04:00:41 UTC  

market socialism is ok in my book

2017-05-14 04:00:50 UTC  

it was never put into practice though

2017-05-14 04:00:50 UTC  

but worker control of the workplace is still my goal

2017-05-14 04:01:06 UTC  

ceo's get guillotined, dismantle means of oppression etc etc

2017-05-14 04:01:17 UTC  

oh shit i told my friend id take shots with him for his birthday