@.... I agree. I think "microagressions" are a perfect example of how the left has gone from helping disenfranchised groups advance to using shame/guilt tactics (which ironically means they focus on the whites/straights/males rather than the groups they are supposed to be helping advance).

Do you believe there is a difference between how the old left saw advancement of minority groups and the new "idpol"

Or is any focus on a group besides the working class just a form of idpol

@.... I think we all agree about that end.

But I'm curious what people here think about minority rights movements.

I've noticed there's a growing NazBol movement going on here which makes me curious as to the line between nationalism and "idpol"

@not_matt that's the exact balance I'm trying to get at ^^^

@not_matt
I'm probably going to make a thread about this but basically I've noticed that my own community (very small minority) focuses a lot on "educating people about our culture" which in effect has been a bunch of bitching to white people about the discrimination we face.

In my view there is a difference between this (idpol) and still taking active measures against discrimination. @not_matt

@not_matt DUDE EXACTLY. THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE MISSES ON AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

@not_matt but basically the point I'm trying to make us that I believe there is a difference between what my community does (bitching about discrimination to white people and blabbing on about how tough we have it) and what I believe we should do (taking active measures to build our OWN community in order to actually fight discrimination.

@Deleted User

What's your take on this? Isn't there a difference? Or are both idpol

^^^ I feel like that's all we do. I know it's important to highlight oppression especially when so many of us have been victims of hate crimes. But I just don't feel like it's productive to just complain about it.

@not_matt however there is an argument that even that community building and active fighting against discrimination is a form of idpol and we should forget about it and focus on class. What do you think?

^^^ really good way of putting it

However a lot of people here do say that anything other than class is idpol and I'm curious about what they think

Lol

So what would you say to the point that @not_matt brought up about blacks being the main victims of for profit prisons and such

I agree as well. But I think it's important to at least recognize that it's no coincidence that the main victims of private prisons are Black

Realizing that reality allows us to examine and learn from the socioeconomic conditions that led to such a thing.

Ignoring that reality leaves us in the same position as the Rightwingers (with our fingers in our ears)

@Deleted User do you believe people born in October are disproportionately imprisoned?

They're not. But blacks are. That's the difference.

Plugging our ears to this fact leaves us as blind and deaf as the Rightwingers

The difference is that blacks exist as an actual community with an actual history not an arbitrarily selected coincidence.

Agreed @John Doe

In other news has anyone read The Green Book or is in anyway familiar with the philosophy of Gaddafi's Libya (the Jamahiriya)

I can't believe it but I'm actually beginning to align with his ideas (even though I thought I was so unique lol).

@not_matt I know right! But I'm just so shocked to find a political system that basically fits exactly with me!

@Firefly yes but so do all. He lasted longer than most.

Even down to his views on women and the family it feels like I could've written the green book

And he died trying to create an independent future for Africa. A true hero.

JAMAHIRIYA FLAIR WHEN

Is Colonel Gaddafi considered a tankie? He was somewhat authoritarian but not really a Marx-Leninist.

Gonna head out guys. Nice talking to y'all! (Also all glory to the Jamahiriya ;P)