Message from @Blebleh

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2017-05-21 15:16:28 UTC  

i'm leaving anyway, i do not want to be affiliated with you in anyway. you're a sorry excuse for a communist

2017-05-21 15:16:34 UTC  

good riddance

2017-05-21 15:17:26 UTC  

Hope you come back. Good luck.

2017-05-21 15:44:31 UTC  

lol

2017-05-21 15:44:42 UTC  

i love your sarcasm

2017-05-21 16:20:54 UTC  

@Firefly Didn't Russia look more like an anarchist federation (with councils) than people with an unified party? I think this breaks the myth that we need a strong leader and party to get the power. Also, didn't Stalin want democratic reforms like pulling the new constitution?

2017-05-21 16:21:41 UTC  

TIL the USSR was an anarchist federation with non anarchist characteristics

2017-05-21 16:22:03 UTC  

@Firefly what happened? kek

2017-05-21 16:22:23 UTC  

@Prometheus They had assemblies with Lenin yes

2017-05-21 16:22:29 UTC  

This is wanted by anarchists

2017-05-21 16:23:04 UTC  

But pro-Stalin people, and Lenin too considered the ban on factions, as it was needed

2017-05-21 16:23:20 UTC  

seems that Stalin wasn't be able to restore a complete democratic reform

2017-05-21 16:23:33 UTC  

im slowly disaccociating myself with anarchism

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/315887352209866752/Screenshot_20170521-105841.png

2017-05-21 16:23:35 UTC  

and I criticize this, I think we need to go this way directly

2017-05-21 16:24:27 UTC  

Marxism Leninism is state capitalism

2017-05-21 16:24:42 UTC  

Once the bourgeoise are eliminnated the evil party becomes the new ruling class

2017-05-21 16:25:05 UTC  

trust me i've totally done an indepth materialist marxist analysis to come to this conclusion

2017-05-21 16:25:12 UTC  

lol

2017-05-21 16:25:28 UTC  

I wouldn't say evil

2017-05-21 16:25:31 UTC  

DAMN UKRAINIANS

2017-05-21 16:25:42 UTC  

but if they're disconnected from the people, how could you prevent revisionism in the next generation?

2017-05-21 16:26:46 UTC  

Context is key. How and why did this disconnect come about? In the USSR it's mostly due to WW2 related reasons in China because of post-feudal reasons dank

2017-05-21 16:27:00 UTC  

i need to go and buy congolese slaves now brb

2017-05-21 16:28:30 UTC  

yes, and after going that path we can't know for sure if the leaders will drop socialism or not; the people need blind faith, we don't know if there would be a Stalin or a Khruschev

2017-05-21 16:29:14 UTC  

I think we should keep this sacred as possible, how can we know at this point that the party is lying to keep in power or not?

2017-05-21 16:45:30 UTC  

There was never a Stalin or a Kruschev, but anyone who disagreed was removed, so, from the perspective of materialism, there was.

2017-05-21 16:46:03 UTC  

Which is why these purely phenomenological descriptions are ... cancer.

2017-05-21 16:48:20 UTC  

I get why it's attractive. The western mindset ought to react to current year politics as though besieged.

2017-05-21 16:48:54 UTC  

Some are willing to sharpen the knives and gather the resources.

2017-05-21 16:51:00 UTC  

@OF-8 How much do they pay you?

2017-05-21 16:53:47 UTC  

how can a planned economy and a restoration of capitalism be the same?

2017-05-21 18:10:08 UTC  

whoever claims to mark the USSR as capitalist because of the five year plan is completely reactionary

2017-05-21 18:37:53 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/315921159642415104/1495383293017.png

2017-05-21 19:15:00 UTC  
2017-05-21 19:38:26 UTC  
2017-05-21 20:15:05 UTC  

"Atheism is a crutch for people who can't accept the reality of god"

2017-05-21 20:15:16 UTC  

🤔

2017-05-21 20:19:30 UTC  

lmao

2017-05-21 20:42:20 UTC  

lololol

2017-05-21 22:35:53 UTC  

@Blebleh >I think this breaks the myth that we need a strong leader and party to get the power.
The USSR made many mistakes but learned and adapted using what worked, accumulating with Stalin in the 5 year plans, which was highly centralised. From my perspective, to say that we do not need this or that is being too dogmatic. We can learn from history and many paths have already been trodden. Practically I do not see where any anarchist 'structure' proved successful to such a degree.