but there would have been a holomodor

so there's that

There was no Great Depression, yet living conditions were just as bad

because socialism, unlike capitalism, is not subject to boom/bust cycles and macroeconomic instability.

>just as bad

Stalin should not be considered as a good role model

That's not true at all either

that's completely untrue

in fact he should be thought of as a destroyer of socialism

@Sorghagtani Beki <:troll_king:312064227542040576>

living conditions relative to the times were fantastic especially compared to the living conditions during the great depression

what would Lenin have thought of Stalin becoming dictator?

In fact he specifically said he did not want that

"at least it wasnt trotsky"

Temporarily Inconvenienced Stalins

probably

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communism cannot happen without industrialization first

@OF-8 google "winston churchill bengal famine"

Stalin tried to rapidly industrialize, at the cost of what?

You tell me, since you seem to be so sure of it.

communism has always been meant to serve the people, not the state

state worship is fascism

@OF-8 Collectivism is the opposite of Individualism. Unlike temporarily embarrassed millionaires, socialists have no ambition to be dictators.

The state serves the people under the DotP.

the people were not served under Stalin

yeah, the indians werent exacly 'people' to the british

Yes they were.

typical economic warfare

that's why so many Ukranians starved

@Sorghagtani Beki At the price of what?

partitioning of poland

@OF-8 The point is that a totally preventable famine happened a decade after the holodomor under Churchill and his colonization and exploitation over India. he caused it. Under Stalin famines were completely eradicated by the policies of the communist party.

So, you're going to tell me the existence of kulaks, droughts, crops being burned and cattle being killed didn't happen and it was all either deliberate or a bureaucratic error?

he is nothing but a man working for his own image

>partitioning of poland

he rules through a character

Oh yes, I'm sure the Polish jews were so sad they were saved from concentration camps by the soviet union.

@Deleted User this is about to happen again in india, btw

To get individual realisation, first you need collective realisation.

You haven't read the treaty