Message from @dindins

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2017-05-29 07:01:16 UTC  

The bosses lording over the industry were the bourgeois. If the workers decided to not work or to use the product themselves they would be shot. Even shitty capitalists can't do that.

2017-05-29 07:01:28 UTC  

a core concept of it

2017-05-29 07:01:36 UTC  

is equality

2017-05-29 07:01:44 UTC  

>defend against imperialism
Empire defending against rival empires?

2017-05-29 07:01:54 UTC  

But why? When everyone is the same and has the same things you just get a bleak and stagnant society.

2017-05-29 07:01:58 UTC  

but some of us like to think of it as equality of unique individuals

2017-05-29 07:02:01 UTC  

dumby

2017-05-29 07:02:21 UTC  

you wants some liberating shit

2017-05-29 07:02:46 UTC  

let me pull out the good stuff, one sec

2017-05-29 07:02:56 UTC  

@Deleted User The difference is that the relationship to production is the same for every one. And the Party uses objective theory to progress society. It is necessary development where the expertise is not yet there. It is always developing. The USSR constitution was changed twice in 10 years. Step by step. That is dialectics.

2017-05-29 07:03:55 UTC  

TO move humanity to a stage where is can have economic emancipation.

2017-05-29 07:04:19 UTC  

People arent the same, and an equal society wouldn't require that of anyone. Instead, people can equally pursue their skills and passions, limited not by class and income.

2017-05-29 07:04:41 UTC  

what

2017-05-29 07:04:43 UTC  

says the fascist

2017-05-29 07:04:55 UTC  

feels

2017-05-29 07:05:01 UTC  

Dammit I'm more used to talking instead of typing.

2017-05-29 07:05:19 UTC  

If exploitation exists anywhere within system, even the king can be subject to it. Only without exploitation in the system can you be said to be truly free from it.

2017-05-29 07:06:00 UTC  

But what do you really gain from that freedom? How does it make peoples' lives better?

2017-05-29 07:06:09 UTC  

fuck freedom

2017-05-29 07:06:16 UTC  

@Deleted User More progress is possible.

2017-05-29 07:06:16 UTC  

read up on ownness

2017-05-29 07:06:37 UTC  

Progress in what sense?

2017-05-29 07:07:10 UTC  

@Deleted User Technology, industry, production...

2017-05-29 07:07:29 UTC  

@Deleted User But it wasn't in the USSR, there were clear and highly seperated strata. The workers, the bosses, and the bureaucrats (CPSU)

2017-05-29 07:07:39 UTC  

@Aidan
Define fascism

2017-05-29 07:07:49 UTC  

That can all be just as easily accomplished by Fascist states.

2017-05-29 07:07:49 UTC  

people i dont like

2017-05-29 07:07:52 UTC  

jk

2017-05-29 07:08:06 UTC  

he said earlier that he was tho

2017-05-29 07:08:15 UTC  

V2s, Jets, Assault Rifles.

2017-05-29 07:08:43 UTC  

@Aidan Define fascism

2017-05-29 07:09:05 UTC  

@Deleted User Depends what you mean by strata. It was authoritarian. Whole society was mobilised towards Socialism. The economy was militarised, but the means of production was public. An army needs generals.

2017-05-29 07:09:14 UTC  

define communism

2017-05-29 07:09:20 UTC  

Me?

2017-05-29 07:09:24 UTC  

if you would

2017-05-29 07:10:37 UTC  

Communism = Classes are eliminated except for working class, property is cooperatively shared between the working class

2017-05-29 07:10:41 UTC  

I understand fascism as an authoritarian method of organizing society where everyone acts as a cog for the machine that is the state, for the good of the state.

2017-05-29 07:10:56 UTC  

If that definition is fucked up in some way go ahead and BTFO me I'm tired as shit

2017-05-29 07:11:01 UTC  

no classes are abolished entirely

2017-05-29 07:11:08 UTC  

@Deleted User Capitalism or private ownership suffocates progress. In the sense that many ideas are never allowed to be tested. There is alienation to the workers.

2017-05-29 07:11:21 UTC  

>Fascism
>authoritarianism