the ussr is not some infallible thing

@Deleted User So? This is just the beginning. The Battering Ram has just reached the gates. Communist theory is ongoing.

It has failed, Communism is in decline while Fascism is on the rise the future power is clear.

>forced labor camps
Germany is guilty of it as well. There is nothing socialist about slavery.

all of us want to take what was done and trim the fat

no the ussr did not achieve communism

A command economy will never be as innovative or effecient as a market one.

nor did it even achieve socialism probably.

@Deleted User There were no bourgeoisie, but their were bureaucrats, yes. This is necessary to structure society to defend it against imperialism. What good are your theorise if you cannot defend them?

(with my limited knowledge on the subject)

Its not about efficiency in communism

It really shouldn't be.

Then what is it about? Just being equal?

ye

The bosses lording over the industry were the bourgeois. If the workers decided to not work or to use the product themselves they would be shot. Even shitty capitalists can't do that.

a core concept of it

is equality

>defend against imperialism
Empire defending against rival empires?

But why? When everyone is the same and has the same things you just get a bleak and stagnant society.

but some of us like to think of it as equality of unique individuals

dumby

you wants some liberating shit

let me pull out the good stuff, one sec

@Deleted User The difference is that the relationship to production is the same for every one. And the Party uses objective theory to progress society. It is necessary development where the expertise is not yet there. It is always developing. The USSR constitution was changed twice in 10 years. Step by step. That is dialectics.

TO move humanity to a stage where is can have economic emancipation.

People arent the same, and an equal society wouldn't require that of anyone. Instead, people can equally pursue their skills and passions, limited not by class and income.

what

says the fascist

feels

Dammit I'm more used to talking instead of typing.

If exploitation exists anywhere within system, even the king can be subject to it. Only without exploitation in the system can you be said to be truly free from it.

But what do you really gain from that freedom? How does it make peoples' lives better?

fuck freedom

@Deleted User More progress is possible.

read up on ownness

Progress in what sense?

@Deleted User Technology, industry, production...

@Deleted User But it wasn't in the USSR, there were clear and highly seperated strata. The workers, the bosses, and the bureaucrats (CPSU)

@Aidan
Define fascism

That can all be just as easily accomplished by Fascist states.

people i dont like