If I'm not forcing them to then its voluntary they don

It's not voluntary. They need money to survive

@Deleted User All successful Socialist states follow the Soviet model, Marxist-Leninism

have to choose me

@Deleted User Yes, the best model of it.

The question as to whether one is forced to take up a job or not is a red herring always

^^

Communists fall for it the most

And just did

They don't last though, they stagnate and collapse. @Deleted User

ill take a step back here then, let you guys handle this

@Deleted User Lasted long enough to transform USSR into a superpower, oh, and that's after crushing 80% of the Wehrmacht.

It still didn't even last into the 21st century, in the end it failed.

If you don't work you go to Gulag.

@Deleted User
>The USSR
>A successful SOCIALIST state
There were classes, there were bourgeois.
The government officials and the bureaucrats were elevated/venerated in that society, not the workers. The workers were at most nominally appreciated yet they were treated poorly especially in the beginning.

I would just say you don't eat and save the resources but whatever. @Deleted User

the ussr is not some infallible thing

@Deleted User So? This is just the beginning. The Battering Ram has just reached the gates. Communist theory is ongoing.

It has failed, Communism is in decline while Fascism is on the rise the future power is clear.

>forced labor camps
Germany is guilty of it as well. There is nothing socialist about slavery.

all of us want to take what was done and trim the fat

no the ussr did not achieve communism

A command economy will never be as innovative or effecient as a market one.

nor did it even achieve socialism probably.

@Deleted User There were no bourgeoisie, but their were bureaucrats, yes. This is necessary to structure society to defend it against imperialism. What good are your theorise if you cannot defend them?

(with my limited knowledge on the subject)

Its not about efficiency in communism

It really shouldn't be.

Then what is it about? Just being equal?

ye

The bosses lording over the industry were the bourgeois. If the workers decided to not work or to use the product themselves they would be shot. Even shitty capitalists can't do that.

a core concept of it

is equality

>defend against imperialism
Empire defending against rival empires?

But why? When everyone is the same and has the same things you just get a bleak and stagnant society.

but some of us like to think of it as equality of unique individuals

dumby

you wants some liberating shit

let me pull out the good stuff, one sec

@Deleted User The difference is that the relationship to production is the same for every one. And the Party uses objective theory to progress society. It is necessary development where the expertise is not yet there. It is always developing. The USSR constitution was changed twice in 10 years. Step by step. That is dialectics.

TO move humanity to a stage where is can have economic emancipation.