Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

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2017-06-13 04:12:32 UTC  

The difference is logical coherency. The 'all roads lead to Tengri' argument is based on a fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

2017-06-13 04:13:50 UTC  

Whereas the perfect God argument is based on the premise that a God exists.

2017-06-13 04:14:19 UTC  

If the premise is that Tengri exists, shouldn't the all religions argument also work for Tengriism?

2017-06-13 04:15:14 UTC  

If Tengri is God, the Tengriist make additional claims about his nature. You need to follow up with additional arguments.

2017-06-13 04:15:43 UTC  

An omnipotent god would be a perfect god, logically

2017-06-13 04:15:52 UTC  

Correct.

2017-06-13 04:16:03 UTC  

Tengriists believe their god is omnipotent

2017-06-13 04:16:11 UTC  

Good so far.

2017-06-13 04:16:22 UTC  

And that their god provides different methods to reach him

2017-06-13 04:16:45 UTC  

So if god is perfect

2017-06-13 04:16:53 UTC  

Then this last statement must be true

2017-06-13 04:17:05 UTC  

That's the unknown quantity. How does a perfect God act his goodness?

2017-06-13 04:17:14 UTC  

I've been looking for servers like this for a year

2017-06-13 04:17:27 UTC  

Tengriists believe their god is perfect I presume

2017-06-13 04:17:35 UTC  

Which is why they justify everyone going to paradise

2017-06-13 04:17:45 UTC  

Why would everyone have to go to paradise?

2017-06-13 04:17:56 UTC  

I believe Tengriists follow the philosophy of determinism

2017-06-13 04:17:59 UTC  

The Tengriist believes in a god without standards.

2017-06-13 04:18:10 UTC  

Which is the reason they use the different paths for different cultures argument

2017-06-13 04:18:40 UTC  

But why does a perfect God have to deliver everyone to paradise?

2017-06-13 04:18:50 UTC  

Why does god necessarily need standards?

2017-06-13 04:19:02 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324039940746903552/1428066558660.jpg

2017-06-13 04:19:09 UTC  

Why does a perfect god not délivrer everyone to heaven?

2017-06-13 04:19:47 UTC  

The Absolute, be definition, is beyond us. We are like children asking why we can't all have candy all the time.

2017-06-13 04:20:01 UTC  

Of course, I don't agree with any of this nonsense

2017-06-13 04:20:09 UTC  

I am simply making my case that the two religions are similar

2017-06-13 04:20:15 UTC  

This is a theoretical argument, sure.

2017-06-13 04:20:16 UTC  

In their fallacious logic

2017-06-13 04:20:31 UTC  

The both have problems, but for different reasons.

2017-06-13 04:20:54 UTC  

I am pedantic about why things are wrong, not just that they are.

2017-06-13 04:22:08 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324040723852689408/3.jpg

2017-06-13 04:22:09 UTC  

My logic is that if we can make the case that two logics can be disproven on the backbone of similar logical failures, then one cannot reasonably choose one over the other

2017-06-13 04:22:17 UTC  

Religions*

2017-06-13 04:22:34 UTC  

It would then be illogical to pick one religion over the other

2017-06-13 04:23:04 UTC  

There can only be one primarily correct religion, but it is possible that some religions can co-exist as a subset of another.

2017-06-13 04:23:06 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324040963452567553/14259846743370.jpg

2017-06-13 04:23:24 UTC  

Tengri is one example, Islam may be another grey area.

2017-06-13 04:23:28 UTC  

The issue is that in this case Tengriism and Christianity clearly contradict

2017-06-13 04:23:36 UTC  

They do.

2017-06-13 04:23:37 UTC  

From the perspective of Christians

2017-06-13 04:23:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324041131442831360/13.jpg