Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

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2017-06-13 04:08:20 UTC  

No

2017-06-13 04:08:26 UTC  

His argument convinced me though

2017-06-13 04:08:42 UTC  

It's a silly argument.

2017-06-13 04:08:46 UTC  

I agree with Tengri too.

2017-06-13 04:08:58 UTC  

But he does make a fair point

2017-06-13 04:09:17 UTC  

Christianity claims god is just and the argument on geographical favoritism clearly puts itself against that claim

2017-06-13 04:09:34 UTC  

The empirical proof would be a world map on religious composition

2017-06-13 04:10:15 UTC  

In principal, only a perfect God can know what is perfect good. Reservations about the realities of Him come from an anthropological basis. You have to first grant that you would know better than a perfect being, which you don't.

2017-06-13 04:11:09 UTC  

So essentially this is the same as arguing that "God is mysterious in his ways"

2017-06-13 04:11:29 UTC  

What is the difference between this and the guy's claim that Tengri is mysterious in making all religions lead to him?

2017-06-13 04:12:32 UTC  

The difference is logical coherency. The 'all roads lead to Tengri' argument is based on a fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

2017-06-13 04:13:50 UTC  

Whereas the perfect God argument is based on the premise that a God exists.

2017-06-13 04:14:19 UTC  

If the premise is that Tengri exists, shouldn't the all religions argument also work for Tengriism?

2017-06-13 04:15:14 UTC  

If Tengri is God, the Tengriist make additional claims about his nature. You need to follow up with additional arguments.

2017-06-13 04:15:43 UTC  

An omnipotent god would be a perfect god, logically

2017-06-13 04:15:52 UTC  

Correct.

2017-06-13 04:16:03 UTC  

Tengriists believe their god is omnipotent

2017-06-13 04:16:11 UTC  

Good so far.

2017-06-13 04:16:22 UTC  

And that their god provides different methods to reach him

2017-06-13 04:16:45 UTC  

So if god is perfect

2017-06-13 04:16:53 UTC  

Then this last statement must be true

2017-06-13 04:17:05 UTC  

That's the unknown quantity. How does a perfect God act his goodness?

2017-06-13 04:17:14 UTC  

I've been looking for servers like this for a year

2017-06-13 04:17:27 UTC  

Tengriists believe their god is perfect I presume

2017-06-13 04:17:35 UTC  

Which is why they justify everyone going to paradise

2017-06-13 04:17:45 UTC  

Why would everyone have to go to paradise?

2017-06-13 04:17:56 UTC  

I believe Tengriists follow the philosophy of determinism

2017-06-13 04:17:59 UTC  

The Tengriist believes in a god without standards.

2017-06-13 04:18:10 UTC  

Which is the reason they use the different paths for different cultures argument

2017-06-13 04:18:40 UTC  

But why does a perfect God have to deliver everyone to paradise?

2017-06-13 04:18:50 UTC  

Why does god necessarily need standards?

2017-06-13 04:19:02 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324039940746903552/1428066558660.jpg

2017-06-13 04:19:09 UTC  

Why does a perfect god not délivrer everyone to heaven?

2017-06-13 04:19:47 UTC  

The Absolute, be definition, is beyond us. We are like children asking why we can't all have candy all the time.

2017-06-13 04:20:01 UTC  

Of course, I don't agree with any of this nonsense

2017-06-13 04:20:09 UTC  

I am simply making my case that the two religions are similar

2017-06-13 04:20:15 UTC  

This is a theoretical argument, sure.

2017-06-13 04:20:16 UTC  

In their fallacious logic

2017-06-13 04:20:31 UTC  

The both have problems, but for different reasons.

2017-06-13 04:20:54 UTC  

I am pedantic about why things are wrong, not just that they are.

2017-06-13 04:22:08 UTC  

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