Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

Discord ID: 324039544200495104


2017-06-13 04:08:46 UTC  

I agree with Tengri too.

2017-06-13 04:08:58 UTC  

But he does make a fair point

2017-06-13 04:09:17 UTC  

Christianity claims god is just and the argument on geographical favoritism clearly puts itself against that claim

2017-06-13 04:09:34 UTC  

The empirical proof would be a world map on religious composition

2017-06-13 04:10:15 UTC  

In principal, only a perfect God can know what is perfect good. Reservations about the realities of Him come from an anthropological basis. You have to first grant that you would know better than a perfect being, which you don't.

2017-06-13 04:11:09 UTC  

So essentially this is the same as arguing that "God is mysterious in his ways"

2017-06-13 04:11:29 UTC  

What is the difference between this and the guy's claim that Tengri is mysterious in making all religions lead to him?

2017-06-13 04:12:32 UTC  

The difference is logical coherency. The 'all roads lead to Tengri' argument is based on a fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

2017-06-13 04:13:50 UTC  

Whereas the perfect God argument is based on the premise that a God exists.

2017-06-13 04:14:19 UTC  

If the premise is that Tengri exists, shouldn't the all religions argument also work for Tengriism?

2017-06-13 04:15:14 UTC  

If Tengri is God, the Tengriist make additional claims about his nature. You need to follow up with additional arguments.

2017-06-13 04:15:43 UTC  

An omnipotent god would be a perfect god, logically

2017-06-13 04:15:52 UTC  

Correct.

2017-06-13 04:16:03 UTC  

Tengriists believe their god is omnipotent

2017-06-13 04:16:11 UTC  

Good so far.

2017-06-13 04:16:22 UTC  

And that their god provides different methods to reach him

2017-06-13 04:16:45 UTC  

So if god is perfect

2017-06-13 04:16:53 UTC  

Then this last statement must be true

2017-06-13 04:17:05 UTC  

That's the unknown quantity. How does a perfect God act his goodness?

2017-06-13 04:17:14 UTC  

I've been looking for servers like this for a year

2017-06-13 04:17:27 UTC  

Tengriists believe their god is perfect I presume

2017-06-13 04:17:35 UTC  

Which is why they justify everyone going to paradise

2017-06-13 04:17:45 UTC  

Why would everyone have to go to paradise?

2017-06-13 04:17:56 UTC  

I believe Tengriists follow the philosophy of determinism

2017-06-13 04:17:59 UTC  

The Tengriist believes in a god without standards.

2017-06-13 04:18:10 UTC  

Which is the reason they use the different paths for different cultures argument

2017-06-13 04:18:40 UTC  

But why does a perfect God have to deliver everyone to paradise?

2017-06-13 04:18:50 UTC  

Why does god necessarily need standards?

2017-06-13 04:19:02 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324039940746903552/1428066558660.jpg

2017-06-13 04:19:09 UTC  

Why does a perfect god not délivrer everyone to heaven?

2017-06-13 04:19:47 UTC  

The Absolute, be definition, is beyond us. We are like children asking why we can't all have candy all the time.

2017-06-13 04:20:01 UTC  

Of course, I don't agree with any of this nonsense

2017-06-13 04:20:09 UTC  

I am simply making my case that the two religions are similar

2017-06-13 04:20:15 UTC  

This is a theoretical argument, sure.

2017-06-13 04:20:16 UTC  

In their fallacious logic

2017-06-13 04:20:31 UTC  

The both have problems, but for different reasons.

2017-06-13 04:20:54 UTC  

I am pedantic about why things are wrong, not just that they are.

2017-06-13 04:22:08 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324040723852689408/3.jpg

2017-06-13 04:22:09 UTC  

My logic is that if we can make the case that two logics can be disproven on the backbone of similar logical failures, then one cannot reasonably choose one over the other

2017-06-13 04:22:17 UTC  

Religions*

2017-06-13 04:22:34 UTC  

It would then be illogical to pick one religion over the other