but it will still be instable and it will show the inherent problems of capitalism whether welfare state or not

Socialism is different. Under Stalin socialist economy had best results so far. More democratic Cuba can't compete.

I think there is more that differs those countries

also many people argue that the USSR wasn't socialist for this very reason

More. But authoritarian socialism is still empirically more efficient.

At this moment

well yes, whether we call it socialist or not, USSR did fare pretty well in industrializing the country

>authoritarian socialism
Why is it so hard to go past dicatatorship

Maybe later somebody is to show a better example. But now we do not confine socialism to democracy.

Socialist states were awfully authoritarian and dictatorial, the polar opposite of what communism advertises

@Deleted User it is difficult both because of the normal reasons of curroption and so on, but it also didn't happen because it wasn't what people cared about. People cared more about industrialization and the war and many other things, than to go further than authorianism

I genuinely believe that it virtually can't go past authoritarianism

Even zizek I think admitted that a scandi type is the realistic solution

one reason for the USSR to be authoritarian is that it most likely nothing else was possible. The vast majority of the country was illeterate

In every socialist dicatorship the marxist elite never give up their power

I don't think there is a good arguent for authoritarianism if a revolution were to happen in europe today

scandi -> lessen the power of the elites -> automation -> forever happy

I think a socialist/communist revolution is unnecessary

we must remind outselves that scandi-type social democracy is not socialism

and the transition will have to happen

But that's the inner social democrat talking

maybe you can argue that it is possible to avoid violent revolution, but the vast majority of socialism and history disagrees

It certainly isn't socialisic, perhaps that's the reason it works ;d

it very much is the reason it works today

socialism has no chance of surviving in a sea of capitalist countries

Well, USSR was dismantled because it was not authoritarian and/or communist anymore. So it can

>So it can
Can what?

survive?

can go from authoriatarianism to democracyt

I thin

@Deleted User change

@Deleted User change

In fact it always did change

You mean that USSR became less dictatorial that's why it collapsed?

@Deleted User both less authoritarian and less communist.

Ok but it is very frustrating to hear that, in what possible scenario does that work

In every scenario there is change.

sure

for better or worse, history is changing

regimes change

So is ideology