Message from @Sampuka
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with UBI and so on
but it will still be instable and it will show the inherent problems of capitalism whether welfare state or not
Socialism is different. Under Stalin socialist economy had best results so far. More democratic Cuba can't compete.
I think there is more that differs those countries
also many people argue that the USSR wasn't socialist for this very reason
More. But authoritarian socialism is still empirically more efficient.
At this moment
well yes, whether we call it socialist or not, USSR did fare pretty well in industrializing the country
>authoritarian socialism
Why is it so hard to go past dicatatorship
Maybe later somebody is to show a better example. But now we do not confine socialism to democracy.
Socialist states were awfully authoritarian and dictatorial, the polar opposite of what communism advertises
@Deleted User it is difficult both because of the normal reasons of curroption and so on, but it also didn't happen because it wasn't what people cared about. People cared more about industrialization and the war and many other things, than to go further than authorianism
I genuinely believe that it virtually can't go past authoritarianism
Even zizek I think admitted that a scandi type is the realistic solution
one reason for the USSR to be authoritarian is that it most likely nothing else was possible. The vast majority of the country was illeterate
In every socialist dicatorship the marxist elite never give up their power
I don't think there is a good arguent for authoritarianism if a revolution were to happen in europe today
scandi -> lessen the power of the elites -> automation -> forever happy
I think a socialist/communist revolution is unnecessary
we must remind outselves that scandi-type social democracy is not socialism
But that's the inner social democrat talking
maybe you can argue that it is possible to avoid violent revolution, but the vast majority of socialism and history disagrees
It certainly isn't socialisic, perhaps that's the reason it works ;d
it very much is the reason it works today
socialism has no chance of surviving in a sea of capitalist countries
Well, USSR was dismantled because it was not authoritarian and/or communist anymore. So it can
>So it can
Can what?
survive?
can go from authoriatarianism to democracyt
I thin
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@Deleted User change
In fact it always did change
You mean that USSR became less dictatorial that's why it collapsed?
@Deleted User both less authoritarian and less communist.
Ok but it is very frustrating to hear that, in what possible scenario does that work
In every scenario there is change.
sure
for better or worse, history is changing
regimes change