Message from @Sampuka

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2017-07-06 17:30:10 UTC  

Yes it is

2017-07-06 17:30:24 UTC  

I'm not arguing ancap, even they have the nap

2017-07-06 17:30:36 UTC  

You can still sue people for doing you or your family harm

2017-07-06 17:30:55 UTC  

yes, but that happens under many systems

2017-07-06 17:31:10 UTC  

I'm not saying it's capitalistic only

2017-07-06 17:31:10 UTC  

Timo, what you're proposing simply isn't sustainable or coherent if we consider that the majority of the world is of the working-class.

2017-07-06 17:31:21 UTC  

Just that you can take on a company in capitalism

2017-07-06 17:31:47 UTC  

Most of the people in working class are happy with it (currently less thanks to neo liberalism)

2017-07-06 17:31:58 UTC  

ask teh rest of the world

2017-07-06 17:32:17 UTC  

They're happy, but that's temporary.

2017-07-06 17:32:18 UTC  

class struggle is very obvious in most 3rd world countries

2017-07-06 17:32:18 UTC  

Working class is mostly mad because of the welfare state and in my country the refugees sucking up their money

2017-07-06 17:32:50 UTC  

I don't think a lot of countries are truly capitalistic, sampuka

2017-07-06 17:33:14 UTC  

how do you define capitalism then? because I can't point to a non-capitalist country

2017-07-06 17:33:23 UTC  

ehm maybe north korea

2017-07-06 17:33:31 UTC  

and somalia hardly has a system

2017-07-06 17:33:38 UTC  

Most of what we have now is corporatism, I'm sure you'd agree

2017-07-06 17:33:44 UTC  

Singapore is a good example

2017-07-06 17:33:49 UTC  

very economically free

2017-07-06 17:33:50 UTC  

@Timo))) That's why Communists seek out to promote class consciousness, because even though that's an issue of class society and capitalism, they don't blame it on those two things.

2017-07-06 17:33:51 UTC  

I'd say corporatism is very much capitalism

2017-07-06 17:33:53 UTC  

very rich for a small country

2017-07-06 17:34:13 UTC  

Two different thing to me, that's why i'm not happy with what we currently have

2017-07-06 17:34:14 UTC  

there's no difference between capitalism and corporatism

2017-07-06 17:34:20 UTC  

size of the vountry hardly matters

2017-07-06 17:34:30 UTC  

If it was I should be happy

2017-07-06 17:34:30 UTC  

corporatism naturally occurs from capitalism

2017-07-06 17:34:38 UTC  

like monopolies

2017-07-06 17:34:46 UTC  

it's not that there's no difference between capitalism and corporatism, but that it's just an ill comparison

2017-07-06 17:34:54 UTC  

capitalism is a mode of production

2017-07-06 17:35:00 UTC  

not if the government can't give certain countries the upper hand

2017-07-06 17:35:01 UTC  

and corporatism is hardly well-defined anywhere

2017-07-06 17:35:18 UTC  

hardly defined but definitely what we have now

2017-07-06 17:35:32 UTC  

the socialists see this right, it's just the answer I'm not happy with from them

2017-07-06 17:35:35 UTC  

I don't follow, I've never learned what corporatism is

2017-07-06 17:35:42 UTC  

care to define it for me because I've never heard one?

2017-07-06 17:36:00 UTC  

When the government bails out corporations with our money

2017-07-06 17:36:01 UTC  

corporatism seems to be what occurs between capitalist and political forces, and the policies that results from that inter-mingling.

2017-07-06 17:36:11 UTC  

but the state is very much a part of capitalsm

2017-07-06 17:36:16 UTC  

^

2017-07-06 17:36:18 UTC  

When you need to be a part of some union before you can even have your business