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I'm not sure, but he definitely isn't talking about an economic system in that quote
@Apollo'sJest The issue with that is most of the info about the actions of him are usually biased to hell.
@Deleted User not wrong
@Deleted User Plus we are talking about a VERY unusual context anyway: the preparation of or actual performance of total war. A context in whici it is hard to evalue an economic or social system for what it would be in normal circumstances.
Than there is the (not that silly) argument that all that Hitler advocated might just have been in the interest of the immediate political profit of his political movement thus ideologically void
At core, socialism is social ownership
Which there are different types of
Usually collective, public, cooperative
Nazi Germany wasn't socialist
Of course there was free healthcare, free education and such
But that doesn't really mean it was socialist
NAzi Germany had socialised courts (for some types of infraction), it had a limit on the sum total of wealth one (household rather than person) could own
Again, socialism is an economic system
Not a set of policies
Nazi Germany had massive public spending on infrastructure and such
No it's not an economic system, it's a political ideology
and Mussilini ittereated upon it
How is socialism a political ideology?
he made this thing called Fascism
I'm sorry for quotink wikipedia but: "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories, and movements associated with them."
Literally the first line of the article
That supports my side
lol wut?
I said socialism is an economic system
Then you said it's a political system
have you not finished reading the sentence or something?
Are you referring to the "as well as the political theories"?
y
Assuming y means yes
das what an ideology is
y means y, y
It says political theories associated with them
Meaning associated with the "range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership..."
Ok let me explain it like to a chimp:
I don't understand what you're trying to explain
Would it not say what socialism is, that it's a political ideology in the first setence, rather than the second?
Why does it say "range of economic and social systems", rather than "range of political systems"?
An economic system is not enough to start to create policy, a social system is not enought to start policy. You need a (relativley) structured view on social life as a whole (including economics and social issues and perhaps more) and that is called an ideology. To implement an ideology one engages in politics.
Socialism isn't an ideology