@Deleted User Plus we are talking about a VERY unusual context anyway: the preparation of or actual performance of total war. A context in whici it is hard to evalue an economic or social system for what it would be in normal circumstances.

Than there is the (not that silly) argument that all that Hitler advocated might just have been in the interest of the immediate political profit of his political movement thus ideologically void

At core, socialism is social ownership

Which there are different types of

Usually collective, public, cooperative

Nazi Germany wasn't socialist

Of course there was free healthcare, free education and such

But that doesn't really mean it was socialist

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NAzi Germany had socialised courts (for some types of infraction), it had a limit on the sum total of wealth one (household rather than person) could own

Again, socialism is an economic system

Not a set of policies

Nazi Germany had massive public spending on infrastructure and such

No it's not an economic system, it's a political ideology

and Mussilini ittereated upon it

How is socialism a political ideology?

he made this thing called Fascism

Okay, go on

I'm sorry for quotink wikipedia but: "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories, and movements associated with them."

Literally the first line of the article

That supports my side

lol wut?

I said socialism is an economic system

Then you said it's a political system

have you not finished reading the sentence or something?

Are you referring to the "as well as the political theories"?

y

Assuming y means yes

das what an ideology is

y means y, y

It says political theories associated with them

Meaning associated with the "range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership..."

Ok let me explain it like to a chimp:

I don't understand what you're trying to explain

Would it not say what socialism is, that it's a political ideology in the first setence, rather than the second?

Why does it say "range of economic and social systems", rather than "range of political systems"?

An economic system is not enough to start to create policy, a social system is not enought to start policy. You need a (relativley) structured view on social life as a whole (including economics and social issues and perhaps more) and that is called an ideology. To implement an ideology one engages in politics.

Socialism isn't an ideology

There's ideologies that are socialist

Ok, you win whatever

I'm right, I don't know what the fuck you're on about