Message from @olev

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2017-08-23 02:29:56 UTC  
2017-08-23 02:29:57 UTC  

(Accidentally pressed enter on my keyboard)

2017-08-23 02:30:09 UTC  

@Deleted User I'd never contest that

2017-08-23 02:30:09 UTC  

What was Hitler's socialism? @Deleted User

2017-08-23 02:30:26 UTC  

Let me find the quote,

2017-08-23 02:30:58 UTC  

Hitler was during the 20's when his movement was taking shape, but during the 30's he discarded it when he liked the extra benefits and power he could get from the already established big corporations.

2017-08-23 02:32:07 UTC  

The problem with that sort of usage of quotes is that they are as much propaganda as they are statements about policy

2017-08-23 02:32:32 UTC  

Look at the mans actions not his words is what I'd advise

2017-08-23 02:32:43 UTC  

That isn't socialism, though

2017-08-23 02:32:50 UTC  

@olev Who says so?

2017-08-23 02:33:02 UTC  

Well first of all, socialism is a range of economic systems

2017-08-23 02:33:07 UTC  

He seems to be describing collectivism

2017-08-23 02:33:34 UTC  

I'm not sure, but he definitely isn't talking about an economic system in that quote

2017-08-23 02:33:42 UTC  

@Apollo'sJest The issue with that is most of the info about the actions of him are usually biased to hell.

2017-08-23 02:33:57 UTC  

@Deleted User not wrong

2017-08-23 02:35:15 UTC  

@Deleted User Plus we are talking about a VERY unusual context anyway: the preparation of or actual performance of total war. A context in whici it is hard to evalue an economic or social system for what it would be in normal circumstances.

2017-08-23 02:36:24 UTC  

Than there is the (not that silly) argument that all that Hitler advocated might just have been in the interest of the immediate political profit of his political movement thus ideologically void

2017-08-23 02:36:56 UTC  

At core, socialism is social ownership

2017-08-23 02:37:01 UTC  

Which there are different types of

2017-08-23 02:37:10 UTC  

Usually collective, public, cooperative

2017-08-23 02:37:19 UTC  

Nazi Germany wasn't socialist

2017-08-23 02:37:35 UTC  

Of course there was free healthcare, free education and such

2017-08-23 02:37:48 UTC  

But that doesn't really mean it was socialist

2017-08-23 02:38:36 UTC  

NAzi Germany had socialised courts (for some types of infraction), it had a limit on the sum total of wealth one (household rather than person) could own

2017-08-23 02:38:56 UTC  

Again, socialism is an economic system

2017-08-23 02:38:59 UTC  

Not a set of policies

2017-08-23 02:39:04 UTC  

Nazi Germany had massive public spending on infrastructure and such

2017-08-23 02:39:36 UTC  

No it's not an economic system, it's a political ideology

2017-08-23 02:39:51 UTC  

and Mussilini ittereated upon it

2017-08-23 02:40:05 UTC  

How is socialism a political ideology?

2017-08-23 02:40:07 UTC  

he made this thing called Fascism

2017-08-23 02:40:20 UTC  

Okay, go on

2017-08-23 02:41:22 UTC  

I'm sorry for quotink wikipedia but: "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories, and movements associated with them."

2017-08-23 02:41:30 UTC  

Literally the first line of the article

2017-08-23 02:42:02 UTC  

That supports my side

2017-08-23 02:42:08 UTC  

lol wut?

2017-08-23 02:42:14 UTC  

I said socialism is an economic system

2017-08-23 02:42:21 UTC  

Then you said it's a political system

2017-08-23 02:42:31 UTC  

have you not finished reading the sentence or something?