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But that doesn't really mean it was socialist
NAzi Germany had socialised courts (for some types of infraction), it had a limit on the sum total of wealth one (household rather than person) could own
Again, socialism is an economic system
Not a set of policies
Nazi Germany had massive public spending on infrastructure and such
No it's not an economic system, it's a political ideology
and Mussilini ittereated upon it
How is socialism a political ideology?
he made this thing called Fascism
Okay, go on
I'm sorry for quotink wikipedia but: "Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories, and movements associated with them."
Literally the first line of the article
That supports my side
lol wut?
I said socialism is an economic system
Then you said it's a political system
have you not finished reading the sentence or something?
Are you referring to the "as well as the political theories"?
y
das what an ideology is
y means y, y
It says political theories associated with them
Meaning associated with the "range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership..."
Ok let me explain it like to a chimp:
I don't understand what you're trying to explain
Would it not say what socialism is, that it's a political ideology in the first setence, rather than the second?
Why does it say "range of economic and social systems", rather than "range of political systems"?
An economic system is not enough to start to create policy, a social system is not enought to start policy. You need a (relativley) structured view on social life as a whole (including economics and social issues and perhaps more) and that is called an ideology. To implement an ideology one engages in politics.
Socialism isn't an ideology
There's ideologies that are socialist
Ok, you win whatever
I'm right, I don't know what the fuck you're on about
Communism is an ideology, it's a type of socialism
A socialist ideology
@olev Communism isn't even Socialist... It uses Socialism as a means to an end - notably the achievement of Communism. If you wanna get really anal 'bout it you could qualify Socialism as a family of Ideologies rether than subdividing it into strands called stuff like Fascism, Stalinism, Social Democracy and so on.
But whatever I just can't be bothered... S'late over here