Message from @Timo)))
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That's how it's been before
Well that same thing happens now except with the market @Timo)))
So far what has worked best is the anarchist method
If people dont want things they wont make it
Well now you can go to a capitalist who will finance your product, is that still a thing in socialism?
for example: titoism in the balkans, maosim in mainland china, etcetc
Socialism removes the capitalist class.
So I'm fucked then if I'm in a workplace of people who don't want to listen to my ideas?
Youre fucked now if your boss doesnt listen to your ideas
Not really, venture capitalism is a thing
We dont think worker ownership is the perfect model, we view it to be better than the current state
Being able to work and save money and then go for my product I can do now
Can't do that with vouchers right?
Revolutionary Anarchism has no foreseeable end. Revisionist bourgeois tendencies threaten continuously.
Vouchers shouldnt even really be compared to money since they exist only to ration resources and distribute value according to value that was already produced.
They are destroyed upon purchase
right, so then I can never make my new product without convincing the people in my workplace?
Can you give me a scenario?
I need to visualize this
sure give me a sec
Or electric cars
The old guard would not want it, they want to stick to diesel
My idea gets shut down all the time
How do I go further?
Labour aristocracy. This is why this makes me nervous.
So
If youve already explained the ins and outs of the idea at the general meeting but people arent really warming up to the idea then its probably just not something that people want. You could also go to a local communal meeting and give the idea there I suppose. This might be a bit saddening but its not like you would lose your position in the workplace
The people never had a say in if my product was a good idea, only the people in the workplace
Maybe I have a niche market
Well assuming we have abolished market exchange that really wouldnt matter. If the place you work at has the tools to make the car then you could make one for yourself.
Making an electric car by myself is not realistic tbh
Not without having the money (or time whatever) for research and development first
Right
But its just like capitalism, if people dont want it then it wont get made
It is worse. Profit does not always align with progress.
But with capitalism you only have to convince some rich guy or crowdfund on the internet
Not a guarantee for success but more options for sure
Yeah but you still theoretically have to fill a market demand right?
Demand is not rational, either.
Right, but many people often don't know what they want until they see it
Ford said that if he gave the people what they wanted he'd invent a faster horse.