Message from @Timo)))
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It implies that without private ownership, co-operation is impossible. Which is false.
The same people that decide whether something is a good idea in a market..
People
Yes but if everything is shared there are only some who gets to make a product right?
Theres no intellectual property so anyone can make whatever they want
What if someone's a terrible inventor, does he starve?
Youre still maintaning a capitalist lens through the way you are viewing socialism
just asking questions
If a collective workplace needs some innovation, they will do everything they can to make it happen
Its pretty unlikely that people would have 1 role in their workplace
I don't know, many people can only fulfill one role
Everyone has an equal say in their workplace, and nobody lives as an inventor or investor or things like that because we abolish capital accumulation and (probably) traditional markets
when the world revolution succeds, will the world be divided by the forms of socialism?
Smash the workplace!
But what if I have an idea for a new product but the people in the workplace always shoot it down?
before it gets made
@IVAN CHESNOKOV Possibly
That's how it's been before
Well that same thing happens now except with the market @Timo)))
So far what has worked best is the anarchist method
If people dont want things they wont make it
Well now you can go to a capitalist who will finance your product, is that still a thing in socialism?
for example: titoism in the balkans, maosim in mainland china, etcetc
Socialism removes the capitalist class.
So I'm fucked then if I'm in a workplace of people who don't want to listen to my ideas?
Youre fucked now if your boss doesnt listen to your ideas
Not really, venture capitalism is a thing
We dont think worker ownership is the perfect model, we view it to be better than the current state
Being able to work and save money and then go for my product I can do now
Can't do that with vouchers right?
Revolutionary Anarchism has no foreseeable end. Revisionist bourgeois tendencies threaten continuously.
Vouchers shouldnt even really be compared to money since they exist only to ration resources and distribute value according to value that was already produced.
They are destroyed upon purchase
right, so then I can never make my new product without convincing the people in my workplace?
Can you give me a scenario?
I need to visualize this
sure give me a sec
Let's say hybrid cars
Or electric cars
The old guard would not want it, they want to stick to diesel
My idea gets shut down all the time
How do I go further?