Message from @Deleted User

Discord ID: 354224355858972672


2017-09-04 11:15:43 UTC  

for example: titoism in the balkans, maosim in mainland china, etcetc

2017-09-04 11:16:13 UTC  

Socialism removes the capitalist class.

2017-09-04 11:16:38 UTC  

So I'm fucked then if I'm in a workplace of people who don't want to listen to my ideas?

2017-09-04 11:16:51 UTC  

Youre fucked now if your boss doesnt listen to your ideas

2017-09-04 11:17:04 UTC  

Not really, venture capitalism is a thing

2017-09-04 11:17:17 UTC  

We dont think worker ownership is the perfect model, we view it to be better than the current state

2017-09-04 11:17:28 UTC  

Being able to work and save money and then go for my product I can do now

2017-09-04 11:17:43 UTC  

Can't do that with vouchers right?

2017-09-04 11:17:52 UTC  

Revolutionary Anarchism has no foreseeable end. Revisionist bourgeois tendencies threaten continuously.

2017-09-04 11:18:20 UTC  

Vouchers shouldnt even really be compared to money since they exist only to ration resources and distribute value according to value that was already produced.

2017-09-04 11:18:28 UTC  

They are destroyed upon purchase

2017-09-04 11:18:52 UTC  

right, so then I can never make my new product without convincing the people in my workplace?

2017-09-04 11:19:19 UTC  

Can you give me a scenario?

2017-09-04 11:19:30 UTC  

I need to visualize this

2017-09-04 11:19:37 UTC  

sure give me a sec

2017-09-04 11:20:28 UTC  

Let's say hybrid cars

2017-09-04 11:20:32 UTC  

Or electric cars

2017-09-04 11:20:45 UTC  

The old guard would not want it, they want to stick to diesel

2017-09-04 11:20:54 UTC  

My idea gets shut down all the time

2017-09-04 11:21:00 UTC  

How do I go further?

2017-09-04 11:21:07 UTC  

Labour aristocracy. This is why this makes me nervous.

2017-09-04 11:22:54 UTC  

So

If youve already explained the ins and outs of the idea at the general meeting but people arent really warming up to the idea then its probably just not something that people want. You could also go to a local communal meeting and give the idea there I suppose. This might be a bit saddening but its not like you would lose your position in the workplace

2017-09-04 11:23:36 UTC  

The people never had a say in if my product was a good idea, only the people in the workplace

2017-09-04 11:23:55 UTC  

Maybe I have a niche market

2017-09-04 11:24:33 UTC  

Well assuming we have abolished market exchange that really wouldnt matter. If the place you work at has the tools to make the car then you could make one for yourself.

2017-09-04 11:24:58 UTC  

Making an electric car by myself is not realistic tbh

2017-09-04 11:25:21 UTC  

Not without having the money (or time whatever) for research and development first

2017-09-04 11:25:54 UTC  

Right

2017-09-04 11:26:07 UTC  

But its just like capitalism, if people dont want it then it wont get made

2017-09-04 11:26:47 UTC  

It is worse. Profit does not always align with progress.

2017-09-04 11:26:49 UTC  

But with capitalism you only have to convince some rich guy or crowdfund on the internet

2017-09-04 11:27:14 UTC  

Not a guarantee for success but more options for sure

2017-09-04 11:27:17 UTC  

Yeah but you still theoretically have to fill a market demand right?

2017-09-04 11:27:35 UTC  

Demand is not rational, either.

2017-09-04 11:27:51 UTC  

Right, but many people often don't know what they want until they see it

2017-09-04 11:28:09 UTC  

Ford said that if he gave the people what they wanted he'd invent a faster horse.

2017-09-04 11:28:46 UTC  

Generally its the opposite of that

2017-09-04 11:28:55 UTC  

Rightlibs hate monopolies

2017-09-04 11:29:32 UTC  

government intervention creates monopolies too

2017-09-04 11:29:33 UTC  

Well yeah but they dont believe that happens

2017-09-04 11:29:53 UTC  

Look who lobbies for a higher minimum wage