I do my research.

Because you were raging about it earlier

That's why I became a socialist, literally.

"1. The right to employment

The foundation for solving the social question is the realization of the right to employment, which can only happen through our job creation program. A law on employment will lay down the rights of the worker. Freedom for creative labor will be assured, freedom for capitalist exploitation abolished."

from the nsdap economic program

If you did your research you wouldn't be a communist

if communism worked in any case but a utopian society where it is an arbitrary concept in that regard id be a communist

Nobody says it's going to be utopian

@styles That was a program in many capitalist nations at the time. They name drop capitalists and exploitation in there but it's pretty much a bastardization of the term.

Exploitation refers to the extraction of surplus value.

This argument is really just a bunch of semantics

@olev good because it wouldn't be

Lol

thats not only definition i think

It isn't a bunch of semantics.

It's literally "what is socialism" in a different context.

Socialism has a scientific definition in relation to economics, not some idealist bullshit.

Marxists will define it differently than NS, in the end they're all just words.

'scientfic definition'

what do you mean by this

National Socialists have their own special snowflake definition because they're not actually socialists.

These arguments never really achieve anything, because we have completely different worldivews, not just political differences.

Didn't USSR shut down the unions too

They approve of private property, private ownership, capitalists, surplus value extraction, capital accumulation, etc.

socialistic economics is a measure i would take it

They aren't socialists.

@National Trotskyist Yeah.

For different reasons though.

High taxes, universal healthcare, welfare, isn't socialism

You heard it right here folks

welfare is socialistic

1950's america was literally socialism.

It isn't

taxes is not on the basis of socialism

Welfalre is not socialist

@styles Socialism is about ownership.

An effective argument, wouldn't focus on the material differences and policies of past states, but rather on the worldviews that these ideas belong to

Welfare is not ownership, it's a way to make being poor less shitty.

Rather forever poor

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

'welfarism'