It's literally "what is socialism" in a different context.

Socialism has a scientific definition in relation to economics, not some idealist bullshit.

Marxists will define it differently than NS, in the end they're all just words.

'scientfic definition'

what do you mean by this

National Socialists have their own special snowflake definition because they're not actually socialists.

These arguments never really achieve anything, because we have completely different worldivews, not just political differences.

Didn't USSR shut down the unions too

They approve of private property, private ownership, capitalists, surplus value extraction, capital accumulation, etc.

socialistic economics is a measure i would take it

They aren't socialists.

@National Trotskyist Yeah.

For different reasons though.

High taxes, universal healthcare, welfare, isn't socialism

You heard it right here folks

welfare is socialistic

1950's america was literally socialism.

It isn't

taxes is not on the basis of socialism

Welfalre is not socialist

@styles Socialism is about ownership.

An effective argument, wouldn't focus on the material differences and policies of past states, but rather on the worldviews that these ideas belong to

Welfare is not ownership, it's a way to make being poor less shitty.

Rather forever poor

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

'welfarism'

freikorps a correct argument is about using objective reasoning so therefore subjective interest is fallacious in any argument

"the principles or policies associated with a welfare state."

>google definition

"means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

The means of production is not owned in a welfare state.

owned by who

By the community or society, or specifically in Marxism, the working-class

Meanwhile in the news

Would maket socialsim be socialist then?

the means of production just means the production industry i take it and that would be owned by specific individuals

but the welfare system is controlled by the government

which is voted in by the people in a democracy

ultimately being socialistic

Styles, I have a pretty good article about social democracy and democratic socialism you could read.

lets see it