It is a concept

oh my god

You're braindead

the dichotomy you talk about does not exist

do you realize that symbols are as material as the other concrete things they designate

It doesn't exist because you've been hopped up on theoretical writings rather than common sense

Symbols transcribed into material

ask any man on the street and they'll tell you that numbers are things written on a paper or a computer lmao

how's that not common sense

If you make a symbol out of materials, then that symbol is then represented in a material form

Ultimately the very concept or thought of the symbol lies not in the material world

The text formed on your screen is material

jfc

materialist philosophy: talks about physical material in the world we are experiencing, eg something that is real
immaterial philosophy: talks about concepts about things that do not actually exist in the world like God or other imaginary probabilities

What the text means is not formed on the screen

numbers that you imagine in your brain lie in the material world bc by definition they're in your head

@big fat memes >not being both

What do you not understand

Where is the disconnect

the disconnect is that numbers for example are symbols which can be found in the material world and they designate material things

so they cannot be immaterial

there is no such dichotomy

@reedpopper They are but they are not, the interaction of your brain matter to create the thought is material, but the concept they formulate is based off of something that would exist even without your brain

Therefore the concept is not material

everything you can talk about or refer to exists within the scope of experience

Or do you intend to contend that they are simply translations from other parts of the material world?

how would numbers exist without me thinking of them

@Deleted User We can experience these numbers because they are symbology of material measurements

We do not experience God because there is no physical proof of him existing, therefore this is an immaterial philosophy

They most certainly CAN be immaterial, they have a relation with materials but they are not material

They do not cease existing if the material they are translated onto ceases existing

Simply

If the world stopped existing numbers wouldn't

what level of mental gymnastics is this

if the universe stopped existing, numbers would stop existing

Less that what you go through to justify your delusion

the world is not the universe

i see we're not getting anywhere with this

If the universe stopped existing, numbers would still exist

let us move on from numbers then

and take another example

They would lose their function but they would not cease being