Simply

If the world stopped existing numbers wouldn't

what level of mental gymnastics is this

if the universe stopped existing, numbers would stop existing

Less that what you go through to justify your delusion

the world is not the universe

i see we're not getting anywhere with this

If the universe stopped existing, numbers would still exist

let us move on from numbers then

and take another example

They would lose their function but they would not cease being

give me another example of an immaterial thing

maybe we can tackle that more simply

General concepts

give an example of a general concept

could you be a bit more specific

The immaterial is conceptual

Words perhaps?

Any given thing we can think of

That is tied to the world yet is above it/out of it

"immaterial" is a meaningless symbol as it does not designate anything

"Materialism is a form of philosophical monism which holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions."

R E A D

@big fat memes But it is not *just* matter

what else is it then

"In contrast to materialism, idealism concedes the primary of consciousness, which means consciousness exists before material, consciousness creates and determines material, not vice versa. Idealism theories believe consciousness is the origin of the world and aim to explain the existing world by mental causes."

I contend that consciousness, or what can be reckoned by the conscious, is not material

>muh idealism

Wrong argument

what is consciousness

What doth life?

then what are you, a pluralist, a dualist, an idealist or a materialist because these are the only options?

if you do not have clearly defined terms for debating then don't bother making any claims at all since you don't actually believe anything

I am none of those

anything that can be said can be said clearly

Then what are you?

@reedpopper That is such a stubborn way to think

Super gay

Jesus christ this is like one of these videos where a fucking idiot gets basic maths explained to them

my sides

@big fat memes Wrong argument