they are just like business owners

they will do what's best for them

I think the important part is that the objective of the state is the will of the people and that democracy is an essential part in that

@quiscalus Well, it would be impossible to reach 100% full-employment. But every able-bodied individual has the right to work.

yes that is an important part

I think if you had the state having large scale work projects you could

just stop and think about it like this

if the state gave you a job, it's no different than working for an employer

except, you make less money

and pay more in taxes

just to make that money back

with companies they produce goods based off what is profitable which mainly meets the desires of individuals who already have money which I think is not very democratic, I think the state organization production based on the needs of the people would be better

and the government uses that money to subsidize their services

which means less quality for practically everything

and that quality only decreases

less quality?

>soviet apartments

but I don't have any say in how things are done at work the boss owns it all but in government the state is made of representatives that we elect

fucking go away with your luxury soviet apartments lol

i mean, they are quite nice

The conservative American Enterprise Institute and Heritage Foundation did a study on this and concluded that federal employees make 14 to 22% more than their private-sector counterparts.

and they are free

and /cozy/

well that may be true, but i'm talking about on a large scale

federal jobs can work beside free market jobs

think about it

you get this for free

I don't think the state should be in charge of every good and service just what is human needs to make sure everyone gets their needs met no matter their level of income

if every business is nationalized and collectivized, your wages will plummet

inflation is inevitable

I think the issue with the USSR is that you have a dramatically undemocratic system

Real wages have remained stagnant since the 70s whereas productivity has risen drastically.

who needs elections when you got a guy like stalin?

Soviet Democracy was based on Direct Democracy

he did in 5 years what took the US 60

you have workers being told how to work, what is made, and how it is distributed based on the commissar and not the people who receive or make the goods

exactly

no competition is not good

free market is great for innovation and for workers

I think you can have the state represent the will of the people and meet their needs

The USSR did in a few decades what took the US centuries and without the Atlantic Slave Trade to boot.