that may be true, but you must keep this in mind also: you may have affordable healthcare, but where will that be in 20 years?

it will be the exact same healthcare as 20 years ago

the innovation stops when government steps in

I think we can use the state to fix major societal issues but it would need to take a lot more wealth from the rich and companies

not to mention how the government will pay for universal healthcare

through raising your taxes

which nobody needs

the state should not be in peoples' lives

you may think this because of your economic situation, but it's not the answer

I am ok to pay more taxes if it means people get the goods and services they need for a happy healthy life

it just makes matters worse

no, if you pay more for taxes you will be worse off in your life

why would you support that

your already small wage will get smaller with more taxes

it's a false promise by corrupt politicians

@quiscalus I don't think that would be an issue when the laborer would be free to engage in meaningful work, and not have to sell their labor-power to an employer in order to engage in low-paying, overly-stressful work for long periods of time. It would also enable many, many people to not have to rely on government services deemed costly and inefficient.

I would prefer the state to organize workers to public works projects like making sure we all have clean water, or suitable housing, or other essential human needs

why would you trust the state to help you?

the "state" are just a bunch of beurocrats

I would prefer to see a society with 100% employment for the able bodied doing something to help their fellow man

they are just like business owners

they will do what's best for them

I think the important part is that the objective of the state is the will of the people and that democracy is an essential part in that

@quiscalus Well, it would be impossible to reach 100% full-employment. But every able-bodied individual has the right to work.

yes that is an important part

I think if you had the state having large scale work projects you could

just stop and think about it like this

if the state gave you a job, it's no different than working for an employer

except, you make less money

and pay more in taxes

just to make that money back

with companies they produce goods based off what is profitable which mainly meets the desires of individuals who already have money which I think is not very democratic, I think the state organization production based on the needs of the people would be better

and the government uses that money to subsidize their services

which means less quality for practically everything

and that quality only decreases

less quality?

>soviet apartments

but I don't have any say in how things are done at work the boss owns it all but in government the state is made of representatives that we elect

fucking go away with your luxury soviet apartments lol

i mean, they are quite nice

The conservative American Enterprise Institute and Heritage Foundation did a study on this and concluded that federal employees make 14 to 22% more than their private-sector counterparts.