Message from @Deleted User

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2017-12-05 11:16:39 UTC  

with companies they produce goods based off what is profitable which mainly meets the desires of individuals who already have money which I think is not very democratic, I think the state organization production based on the needs of the people would be better

2017-12-05 11:16:41 UTC  

and the government uses that money to subsidize their services

2017-12-05 11:17:05 UTC  

which means less quality for practically everything

2017-12-05 11:17:15 UTC  

and that quality only decreases

2017-12-05 11:17:37 UTC  

less quality?

2017-12-05 11:17:42 UTC  

>soviet apartments

2017-12-05 11:17:43 UTC  

but I don't have any say in how things are done at work the boss owns it all but in government the state is made of representatives that we elect

2017-12-05 11:17:55 UTC  

fucking go away with your luxury soviet apartments lol

2017-12-05 11:18:12 UTC  

i mean, they are quite nice

2017-12-05 11:18:12 UTC  

The conservative American Enterprise Institute and Heritage Foundation did a study on this and concluded that federal employees make 14 to 22% more than their private-sector counterparts.

2017-12-05 11:18:17 UTC  

and they are free

2017-12-05 11:18:22 UTC  

and /cozy/

2017-12-05 11:18:42 UTC  

well that may be true, but i'm talking about on a large scale

2017-12-05 11:18:51 UTC  

federal jobs can work beside free market jobs

2017-12-05 11:18:56 UTC  

think about it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/387563486781374465/IFMNdKr.png

2017-12-05 11:18:56 UTC  

you get this for free

2017-12-05 11:19:00 UTC  

I don't think the state should be in charge of every good and service just what is human needs to make sure everyone gets their needs met no matter their level of income

2017-12-05 11:19:07 UTC  

if every business is nationalized and collectivized, your wages will plummet

2017-12-05 11:19:13 UTC  

inflation is inevitable

2017-12-05 11:19:36 UTC  

I think the issue with the USSR is that you have a dramatically undemocratic system

2017-12-05 11:19:46 UTC  

Real wages have remained stagnant since the 70s whereas productivity has risen drastically.

2017-12-05 11:19:57 UTC  

who needs elections when you got a guy like stalin?

2017-12-05 11:19:59 UTC  

Soviet Democracy was based on Direct Democracy

2017-12-05 11:20:03 UTC  

he did in 5 years what took the US 60

2017-12-05 11:20:29 UTC  

you have workers being told how to work, what is made, and how it is distributed based on the commissar and not the people who receive or make the goods

2017-12-05 11:20:42 UTC  

exactly

2017-12-05 11:20:54 UTC  

no competition is not good

2017-12-05 11:21:04 UTC  

free market is great for innovation and for workers

2017-12-05 11:21:07 UTC  

I think you can have the state represent the will of the people and meet their needs

2017-12-05 11:21:15 UTC  

The USSR did in a few decades what took the US centuries and without the Atlantic Slave Trade to boot.

2017-12-05 11:21:16 UTC  

competition leads to: lower prices, higher quality, higher wages

2017-12-05 11:21:25 UTC  

this is proven

2017-12-05 11:21:31 UTC  

im not sure how you could argue against this

2017-12-05 11:21:36 UTC  

I feel the USSR just replaced capitalists and bosses with commissars and other bureaucrats

2017-12-05 11:22:01 UTC  

that, my friend, is why true communism is impossible to achieve

2017-12-05 11:22:17 UTC  

You should really peruse the now-declassified Soviet Archives and check out a few non-partisan books about the Soviet system.

2017-12-05 11:22:20 UTC  

i would support every bit of it it there weren't practical problems with it

2017-12-05 11:22:29 UTC  

the USSR did great things but I think they could have done it in a better way with more power in the hands of the workers and common people and less political repression

2017-12-05 11:22:33 UTC  

That should clear up many misconceptions.

2017-12-05 11:22:46 UTC  

also the idea of an one party system is in my mind rather undemocratic

2017-12-05 11:22:58 UTC  

democracy and communism cant mix my friend