Message from @quiscalus

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2017-12-05 11:06:34 UTC  

and thus, monopolies have formed everywhere

2017-12-05 11:06:43 UTC  

government is not the solution, government is the problem

2017-12-05 11:06:59 UTC  

every time government tried to "help" the consumer it's fucked them over

2017-12-05 11:07:14 UTC  

I would prefer a situation with 100% employment for the able bodied directed by the state to meet peoples needs make sure we all have are necessities then work for there

2017-12-05 11:07:17 UTC  

the government is directly responsible for the financial crisis of 2007

2017-12-05 11:07:18 UTC  

*from

2017-12-05 11:07:31 UTC  

There is no moral or logical reason as to why a technologically-advanced country is unable to provide a Universal Basic Income for it's citizens. A UBI can be supported by people adhering to various ideological positions. Hell, Friedman and Hayek voiced support for it.

2017-12-05 11:07:37 UTC  

capitalism would work if left unimpeded and with slight regulation here and there

2017-12-05 11:08:09 UTC  

that is a moral standpoint, not an economic standpoint

2017-12-05 11:08:25 UTC  

communism would be a true utopia and the idea of it is great

2017-12-05 11:08:36 UTC  

however, in reality it is doomed to fail

2017-12-05 11:08:39 UTC  

I think capitalism leads to charles dickens type nightmare of the past where people were working insane hours and barely scraping by

2017-12-05 11:08:50 UTC  

the capitalist system, with all its flaws, has proven to be best for workers

2017-12-05 11:08:57 UTC  

i will admit there are many flaws

2017-12-05 11:09:06 UTC  

possibly even more than communism

2017-12-05 11:09:14 UTC  

Support for a UBI is not simply a moral statement. It's been supported by numerous mainstream economists from both ends of the political spectrum. It would be highly beneficial in more ways than one.

2017-12-05 11:09:49 UTC  

I think having a huge part of the population not laboring to improve their lives or others would be the issue

2017-12-05 11:09:57 UTC  

that may be true, but you must keep this in mind also: you may have affordable healthcare, but where will that be in 20 years?

2017-12-05 11:10:05 UTC  

it will be the exact same healthcare as 20 years ago

2017-12-05 11:10:13 UTC  

the innovation stops when government steps in

2017-12-05 11:10:22 UTC  

I think we can use the state to fix major societal issues but it would need to take a lot more wealth from the rich and companies

2017-12-05 11:10:39 UTC  

not to mention how the government will pay for universal healthcare

2017-12-05 11:10:46 UTC  

through raising your taxes

2017-12-05 11:10:50 UTC  

which nobody needs

2017-12-05 11:11:01 UTC  

the state should not be in peoples' lives

2017-12-05 11:11:17 UTC  

you may think this because of your economic situation, but it's not the answer

2017-12-05 11:11:25 UTC  

I am ok to pay more taxes if it means people get the goods and services they need for a happy healthy life

2017-12-05 11:11:25 UTC  

it just makes matters worse

2017-12-05 11:11:39 UTC  

no, if you pay more for taxes you will be worse off in your life

2017-12-05 11:11:47 UTC  

why would you support that

2017-12-05 11:12:02 UTC  

your already small wage will get smaller with more taxes

2017-12-05 11:12:12 UTC  

it's a false promise by corrupt politicians

2017-12-05 11:12:14 UTC  

@quiscalus I don't think that would be an issue when the laborer would be free to engage in meaningful work, and not have to sell their labor-power to an employer in order to engage in low-paying, overly-stressful work for long periods of time. It would also enable many, many people to not have to rely on government services deemed costly and inefficient.

2017-12-05 11:13:39 UTC  

I would prefer the state to organize workers to public works projects like making sure we all have clean water, or suitable housing, or other essential human needs

2017-12-05 11:14:00 UTC  

why would you trust the state to help you?

2017-12-05 11:14:11 UTC  

the "state" are just a bunch of beurocrats

2017-12-05 11:14:14 UTC  

I would prefer to see a society with 100% employment for the able bodied doing something to help their fellow man

2017-12-05 11:14:17 UTC  

they are just like business owners

2017-12-05 11:14:23 UTC  

they will do what's best for them

2017-12-05 11:14:48 UTC  

I think the important part is that the objective of the state is the will of the people and that democracy is an essential part in that

2017-12-05 11:15:09 UTC  

@quiscalus Well, it would be impossible to reach 100% full-employment. But every able-bodied individual has the right to work.