Message from @quiscalus

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2017-12-05 11:19:36 UTC  

I think the issue with the USSR is that you have a dramatically undemocratic system

2017-12-05 11:19:46 UTC  

Real wages have remained stagnant since the 70s whereas productivity has risen drastically.

2017-12-05 11:19:57 UTC  

who needs elections when you got a guy like stalin?

2017-12-05 11:19:59 UTC  

Soviet Democracy was based on Direct Democracy

2017-12-05 11:20:03 UTC  

he did in 5 years what took the US 60

2017-12-05 11:20:29 UTC  

you have workers being told how to work, what is made, and how it is distributed based on the commissar and not the people who receive or make the goods

2017-12-05 11:20:42 UTC  

exactly

2017-12-05 11:20:54 UTC  

no competition is not good

2017-12-05 11:21:04 UTC  

free market is great for innovation and for workers

2017-12-05 11:21:07 UTC  

I think you can have the state represent the will of the people and meet their needs

2017-12-05 11:21:15 UTC  

The USSR did in a few decades what took the US centuries and without the Atlantic Slave Trade to boot.

2017-12-05 11:21:16 UTC  

competition leads to: lower prices, higher quality, higher wages

2017-12-05 11:21:25 UTC  

this is proven

2017-12-05 11:21:31 UTC  

im not sure how you could argue against this

2017-12-05 11:21:36 UTC  

I feel the USSR just replaced capitalists and bosses with commissars and other bureaucrats

2017-12-05 11:22:01 UTC  

that, my friend, is why true communism is impossible to achieve

2017-12-05 11:22:17 UTC  

You should really peruse the now-declassified Soviet Archives and check out a few non-partisan books about the Soviet system.

2017-12-05 11:22:20 UTC  

i would support every bit of it it there weren't practical problems with it

2017-12-05 11:22:29 UTC  

the USSR did great things but I think they could have done it in a better way with more power in the hands of the workers and common people and less political repression

2017-12-05 11:22:33 UTC  

That should clear up many misconceptions.

2017-12-05 11:22:46 UTC  

also the idea of an one party system is in my mind rather undemocratic

2017-12-05 11:22:58 UTC  

democracy and communism cant mix my friend

2017-12-05 11:23:02 UTC  

you have to choose one

2017-12-05 11:23:11 UTC  

I think you can

2017-12-05 11:23:17 UTC  

false

2017-12-05 11:23:22 UTC  

they are incompatible

2017-12-05 11:23:28 UTC  

learn more about communism and you'll learn that

2017-12-05 11:23:36 UTC  

I am not sure about communism but you can have socialism and democracy

2017-12-05 11:23:44 UTC  

you can't have socialism either

2017-12-05 11:23:49 UTC  

learn more about socialism for that one

2017-12-05 11:24:05 UTC  

what you can have is the false socialism called "democratic socialism"

2017-12-05 11:24:09 UTC  

Communism is simply the stage of socioeconomic development that follows after socialism.

2017-12-05 11:24:13 UTC  

which is not real socialism, just social democracy

2017-12-05 11:24:18 UTC  

Socialism is inherently democratic.

2017-12-05 11:24:24 UTC  

if you can briefly break down why the ideas are incompatible?

2017-12-05 11:24:31 UTC  

well technically yes it is in the early stages

2017-12-05 11:24:37 UTC  

it is the transition period

2017-12-05 11:24:43 UTC  

Correct

2017-12-05 11:25:04 UTC  

well the ideas are incompatible because communism advocates for a one-party state

2017-12-05 11:25:10 UTC  

essentially that is the quick answer

2017-12-05 11:25:37 UTC  

I am not sure if I am down with marx and his idea of a one party state and no markets and a total command economy