Message from @ᚾᚨᚦᚨᚾ

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2017-06-13 22:56:25 UTC  

So your union would represent something like a small town, your Syndicate would operate something like a state, and the bourse du travail would operate the nation, only instead of the national level having the final say/authority it's the people

2017-06-13 22:57:11 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/324321334744186882/image.gif

2017-06-13 22:57:15 UTC  

Something like this

2017-06-13 23:01:30 UTC  

Alright, but who can start a business and hire employees?

2017-06-13 23:01:53 UTC  

You can come together as a group to form a business-like entity

2017-06-13 23:02:45 UTC  

But undemocratic private ownership is precisely what this system seeks to abolish

2017-06-13 23:02:51 UTC  

And replace

2017-06-13 23:03:37 UTC  

So one person can't own a business alone, or run it as he wants.

2017-06-13 23:04:09 UTC  

if you own it alone, you would have no one working for you

2017-06-13 23:05:08 UTC  

^ Why?

2017-06-13 23:05:38 UTC  

Well if it works out how Catalonia did, no one would be willing to work for you

2017-06-13 23:06:40 UTC  

Why wouldn't anyone be willing to work for me?

2017-06-13 23:07:19 UTC  

Because why would you work under the economic equivalent of a dictatorship when there's a shiny new democracy across the street

2017-06-13 23:10:02 UTC  

Not only would you then have a say in the business your income and possibly your life depends on, but you'd also be able to directly advocate for workers rights and your needs as workers

2017-06-13 23:11:30 UTC  

Just look at how effective things like unions are at advancing worker rights and pay

2017-06-13 23:12:50 UTC  

Unions are a modern failure now that businesses can afford to send workers to technical schools and butt unions workers out of the loop. They only get government contracts now and usually only state or federal projects.

2017-06-13 23:13:27 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/324325425042161665/image.jpg

2017-06-13 23:13:29 UTC  

Or at least that's my observation from the side of metal working and electrical unions.

2017-06-13 23:13:32 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/324325446986498048/image.png

2017-06-13 23:13:38 UTC  

Hold on there's one more

2017-06-13 23:13:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/324325542834733066/image.jpg

2017-06-13 23:14:26 UTC  

At least to me there seems to be a very strong correlation between the strength of unions and inequality

2017-06-13 23:14:46 UTC  

The value of the dollar has drastically dropped as wages increased.

2017-06-13 23:14:47 UTC  

A CEOs pay really doesn't matter. It's the CEO, he's going to accumulate wealth from his business, which is the whole purpose of starting a business in the first place. I wouldn't be comfortable with a government telling me that I need to trust someone who is hired with automatic privelege and shares to the company.

2017-06-13 23:15:06 UTC  

The CEO creates capital, which stimulates economic growth, and creates more jobs.

2017-06-13 23:15:12 UTC  

So why does the CEO's paycheck matter so much?

2017-06-13 23:15:21 UTC  

The workers create capital, the CEO takes credit for it

2017-06-13 23:15:36 UTC  

The pay increases are virtually non effective in relation to pay equality because the capitalist economy made it ineffective

2017-06-13 23:15:37 UTC  

Because those ceos make 300-500x as much as their workers on average

2017-06-13 23:15:49 UTC  

Hold on I've got another chart

2017-06-13 23:16:18 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/324326144805437440/image.png

2017-06-13 23:16:31 UTC  

The value exists, its just not going to the workers

2017-06-13 23:16:36 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/324326217735995393/image.png

2017-06-13 23:16:56 UTC  

The workers are creating much more value but since the 70s haven't received much compensation for it

2017-06-13 23:17:48 UTC  

The thing is the people at the top are rising and the actual wage gap between the richest and poorest isn't closing which is made worse since the value of modern currency is also dropping

2017-06-13 23:17:56 UTC  

(2nd graph shows that they're creating more value, 1st graph shows that they aren't getting shite for it)

2017-06-13 23:18:18 UTC  

So what do you suggest doing? The gold standard?

2017-06-13 23:19:08 UTC  

...because I've got another graph for that 😂

2017-06-13 23:19:13 UTC  

I don't know, that's also ineffective because it relies on measures stabilizing the value of a not so precious metal that is hoarded away by a group of moguls

2017-06-13 23:19:24 UTC  

Yas boi you get it

2017-06-13 23:20:01 UTC  

However, other likewise valuable objects are ineffective too