you tryn'a start a fight, m8?

okay, debate away

and where is the success of capitalism? as it currently stands, the first world can't sustain itself without constantly plundering resources from the third world and putting millions of people into bondage through sweatshops and human trafficking. not exactly something that can survive for long

third-way like gaddafi?

fascism is nothing more than an attempt for capitalists to retain their hold on the world when revolution becomes inevitable. it has never appeared accept as a response to communism. and it has always been backed by the priveliged figures of society

then what place does it have in the modern world?

okay, then lets start with an explanation of fascism: how is labour organized?

hello?

if you own it alone, you would have no one working for you

how are the underpants?

marxism leninism is significanty different from marxisam

this^

go and starve your children then

tell them they're moochers

we're not liberals

that's for sure

yes

capitalism requires a state to function

humans tend toward self-interest

but this can be managed in collective ways

that's the idea of socialism

capitalism rewards the greedy

dafuq how is worker self-management like pointing a gun at your head?

no, they just wouldn't call in the cops if the workers decide to collectivize it

the government not defending your property for you isn't putting a gun to your head

would people rather live in a dictatorship or a democracy

also we don't think a massive welfare state is managable in capitalism

i'm an anarchist soo

no, not surprising but it is stupid if they do none of the work

they're basically parasites

they plunder it from employees

its like lords taxing serfs' grain harvest

without the workers, nothing would get done

also coops exist and they have no ceos

we're not totalitarians m8

we're syndicalists

we want a bottom-up democracy

employers need workers to exploit, the work they do in organizing a business is minimal in comparison

good, now come up with another one

most people who innovate don't do if for massive cash

because of lax labour laws

all trade agreements suck

free trade without self-managed workplaces is shitty

we don't want to just hand things to people

in ancapistan starving is always an option

employment totally isn't coerced in ancapistan

small businesses are getting pushed out by multinationals everywhere

it's like business gentrification

multinationals will just undersell the competition until they're driven out of the market,

because the eventual profits will cover their losses

that's what's happening in poland(or was it austria) right now

multinationals push out all of the competition, then jack up prices

you're confusing small businesses with startups

they're becoming more common, but they usually fail immediately

we've gotten to a point where CHINA is moving jobs over to belarus becuase of cheaper labour

what?

they're capitalist af

then DPRK is a democracy

the MoP is still privately owned

it's capitalist

if we broke up multinational companies then small businesses would flourish

getting rid of all regulation in a capitalist economy is just a race to the bottom

i mean, keynsian economics is at least better than austrian so i'll give mitt that

yes, welfare in a capitalist society is bad

it doesn't solve the conditions that caused people to need that welfare in the first place

it's symptomal healing

yes, but democratically

if companies were managed on a democratic basis we wouldn't need a minimum wage

the muslims are comin man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUwhOmWpU5g

for isis

raqqa will fall

what about bosses?

they seem to give a fuck

piss off cox

calm down ace

this is getting off topic

no it doesn't

it just proposes that the state doen't protect your business

no

they just wont have the cops come if other people decide to collectivize your workplace

there's a difference between non-reecognition and seizure

no, prefer worker self-management for greater freedom

if they are involved yes

if they don't agree then they would'nt join

democracy isn't enforcable?

i mean, come on

they can either cooperate or leave

if they don't like it they can find another workplace

yea catalonia was fucked from the beginning

what chat

must know

the rest of europe literally embargoed them

that's not disagreement from within

and the US sold oil to the fascists

and the USSR

literally every world power was trying to fuck catalonia

MITT JOIN THE REAL REPUBLICANS

WE HAVE IRISH PEOPLE

plus the entire spanish army was against them

they had a bunch of untrained labourers fighting without enough arms