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2017-07-09 19:42:14 UTC  

Absolutely

2017-07-09 19:42:33 UTC  

Why would a government worker who uses other peoples money make better decisions?

2017-07-09 19:42:57 UTC  

I don't expect either to be particularly great.

2017-07-09 19:43:12 UTC  

Doesn't have to be great, just better

2017-07-09 19:43:28 UTC  

In everything there are winners and losers, but you have to make it so you can win or lose to make it work at all

2017-07-09 19:43:42 UTC  

Try making a casino in which you always leave without winning or losing

2017-07-09 19:44:38 UTC  

That's neat rhetoric, but the problem is that neither the government or the dindu business man are actually held responsible to the workers.

2017-07-09 19:44:55 UTC  

I can pretend the government is democratic

2017-07-09 19:45:11 UTC  

The businessman is absolutely more hurt by the loss than a government worker

2017-07-09 19:46:34 UTC  

I don't care. I'm selfish and I want an economy with organized labor and democracy in the workplace.

2017-07-09 19:46:53 UTC  

Well you can get it in venezuela and cuba

2017-07-09 19:47:02 UTC  

I can get it here too.

2017-07-09 19:47:12 UTC  

Good luck, I don't think you can

2017-07-09 19:47:22 UTC  

Unless you go work for the post office, which are notoriously slow

2017-07-09 19:47:53 UTC  

🤔

2017-07-09 19:49:13 UTC  

One of my roommates worked for the post office

2017-07-09 19:49:58 UTC  

She was like 64 or something and they wouldn't let her retire because she hadn't worked for them consecutively long enough

2017-07-09 19:50:20 UTC  

And she worked 6 days a week for 10-12 hours a day.

2017-07-09 19:50:50 UTC  

I'd work slow with those hours too lol

2017-07-09 19:50:56 UTC  

fuck me that's bad

2017-07-09 19:51:25 UTC  

Yeah their postmaster was ancient apparently

2017-07-09 19:51:32 UTC  

Like 70 or something

2017-07-09 19:51:50 UTC  

Some ridiculous age where people shouldn't be working anymore

2017-07-09 19:52:19 UTC  

I think a lot of small town post offices end up like that

2017-07-09 19:52:34 UTC  

Though the pay isn't too bad

2017-07-09 19:52:52 UTC  

eh, a lot of stagnation if you get one of those jobs

2017-07-09 19:53:06 UTC  

pay is good for when you're young, then you stay and become comfortable

2017-07-09 19:53:16 UTC  

And the people who took a risk will pass you by mostly

2017-07-09 19:53:37 UTC  

Seen it many times in government organizations, i've worked for some

2017-07-09 21:54:50 UTC  

hi

2017-07-09 22:32:49 UTC  

other people's money?

2017-07-09 22:33:15 UTC  

the whole system of property exists because of the state protecting property rights

2017-07-09 22:33:36 UTC  

which allow the capitalist to steal the labour of the worker and to give back only a fraction of it, in the form of the wages

2017-07-09 22:33:44 UTC  

the one who uses other people's money is the capitalist

2017-07-09 22:59:03 UTC  

^

2017-07-09 23:08:25 UTC  

The capitalist does it with your permission, the state does it by the threat of a gun

2017-07-09 23:12:24 UTC  

And if you make it easier for a worker to start his own business you give him the chance to be his own boss

2017-07-09 23:13:02 UTC  

Business grants are great tbh, even though financial management classes are just better

2017-07-09 23:13:18 UTC  

the capitalist does not do it with your permission, you are coerced by the economic system

2017-07-09 23:13:33 UTC  

How so?

2017-07-09 23:13:43 UTC  

you're not able to live a good life without working for a company, you have no ability to meaningfully negotiate wages