So it was ended, just not under lenin

Then it came back.

Hell, collectivization lasted shorter than capitalization by almost 100 years.

It led to the fall of the USSR and a rise in poverty

Poverty and starvation was it's worse under stalin actually.

But to be fair, that can be attributed to WW2...... for the most part.

Starvation can also be explained by the massive industrialization effort

Isn't that a reckless maneouver though? Europe managed to do it just fine without the mass starvation.....

Russia was a very backwards country at this time

It had famines all the time also, even before communism, as a result

Hell, it should have been much easier to do at that time, since technology had advanced by 40 years.

@ᵈˢʳ✪ But none so severe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union#Pre-1900_droughts_and_famines Russia has always had this problem, though

@ᵈˢʳ✪ True, but it only became worse under communism.

The soviet tried to solve it, but while undergoing a rapid industrialisation process

Of course they would have worsened

@ᵈˢʳ✪ And look at how it turned out.

Look at the Great Leap Forward in the PRC

@ᵈˢʳ✪ >Of course they would have worsened

are you sure it worsened?

After a civil war and a push for industrialization which led them to become one of the most powerful countries

@Zircuits Not really, they were inferior in everyway to the west, their only advantage was numbers and territory.

I think ww2 had a greater effect, though @Deleted User

I think we’re forgetting who did most of the fighting

Germany.

Kek

also the space race and the nuclear arms race

@ᵈˢʳ✪ That wasn't a joke.

@Zircuits We are talking about the 1920s.

Oh

Nuclear weapons were not even theorized yet.

industrialization played a huge role in their expansion into other fields

@Zircuits That it did.

And they did it so recklessly that millions starved, and went into poverty.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/heroesvillains/g4/cs1/

Also Russia lost WW1 remember

@ᵈˢʳ✪ Mhm.

But the thing is that starvation only increased as more communist policies were enacted.

In my opinion, I think Russia moved to collectivisation too early

Lenin abandoned collectivization and allowed for capitalism.

Or maybe it was because the kulaks literally burnt their harvest so the soviets couldn't collectavize it.